need help on ISX

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  1. snoop20

    snoop20 Bobtail Member

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    Just bought a 05 T600 with the ISX from Ryder with a 475 ISX from Ryder. Run it three days and had to go to the shop for a new EGR cooler. They paid for it but the next will be on me. I haul local about 200 miles Memphis TN. Need to get rid of all this EGR bs before something else goes out. Can someone PLEASE tell me my best bet for the money but I wont to do it the right way.....thanks for any info don't know anything about this stuff.
     
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  3. pup

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    The egr coolers have been redesigned to improve coolant flow & avoid hot spots. Witha a little luck this one will last. The truck should have a 15psi radiator cap. Have it tested at every service . Not sure about deleting it but this will help it last.
     
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  4. apyles

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    you are pretty much stuck with the egr have heard of some people doing away with it but i have heard of prices in the 10,000 to 15,000 range. The ecm has to have a new program.
     
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  5. snoop20

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    Thanks for the info. Like the motors power my dad has a T2000 with a C15 single turbo and same gears and it pulls with it. Just heard bad things about the EGR stuff and then the cooler went out that soon and has got me worried. But it running fine for now...thanks again!!!
     
  6. Jfaulk99

    Jfaulk99 Road Train Member

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    His '05 isn't nearly that expensive to delete. The prices you quoted are to delete everything off a new SCR ISX. By everything I mean replace the turbo, exhaust manifold, new intake manifold, delete the EGR, DPF and urea injection and add HP.
     
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  7. Cowpie1

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    There are companies that have programs that modify the ECM that will effectively delete the EGR function. There is really no need to have to physically remove anything if you chose not to. With the EGR valve closed and non functional with an ECM reprogram, the EGR cooler is not undergoing any stress and heat that would cause it to fail. It just sits there.

    Then, of course, there is the frugal way of accomplishing the same result. I placed a block where the EGR tube meets up with the intake manifold. Nothing is getting thru there. No chance of a leak in the cooler causing coolant to get into the intake. Did this to my '06 ISX roughly 400,000 miles ago and not had any problems. Engine runs better, cleaner oil, better mpg. Cost? about $10 and an hour of my time.

    Never got a code or check light until about a year ago. Stopped into my dealer and had them plug up to see what the code was. EGR valve had taken a dump. Both me and my mechanic just chuckled since we both knew that I wasn't going to replace the EGR valve. Why? I am not using it anyway with the block in place. That EGR valve is still sitting there looking stupid, my truck runs fine.

    At least there are many choices we have available. Just research out which way you are comfortable doing. There are different advantages to each method. You can spend as much as you want, but there are options, like the way I did it, for those that don't have a deep wallet. Full Tilt out of Jackson, MN has the Bully Dog programmer and also has an EGR delete program they sell for it. Last time I checked, the total package was a little over $4,000. That is a package that includes the Bully Dog Power Pup and power programming and the Full Tilt EGR delete programming. I haven't tried it, but I have heard that it is a solid product that gets the job done.

    Of course there is also another option.... if you are going to spend big bucks on deleting EGR, removing parts and putting on new turbos, etc. Why not just get a pre-emissions ISX and replace your present one? Mawk Industries will make any wiring harness to put any engine into just about any truck. The cost would be competitive to shelling out big bucks to modify an emissions engine and would be a more reliable setup.

    Oh, so many choices. What a Country!
     
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  8. Heavyd

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    The day is coming soon where there will be emissions enforcement. All these guys that have deleted their emissions are laughing for now, but sooner or later they will pay big time! For now there is literally no one that goes around to check engines and ECMs for proper emissions programming and functionality. Once the governments all get together and realize how much money is to be made through fines and impoundments, look out! Once there is enforcement in place, if you get caught... I bet it would be cheaper to walk away and just buy a new truck!!!
     
  9. snoop20

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    Where did you get the plate? So the turbo does not have to be reprogramed?
     
  10. Cowpie1

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    I had put on the PDI intake manifold to increase air flow. It is designed to be installed on any ISX... pre-EGR thru EGR. I decided to cut off the extension of the EGR tube that feeds into the intake. I then installed a plate between the EGR Tube and the manifold. I know that PDI has the plate custom made for the intake (theirs or the OEM, it doesn't matter).

    I never reprogrammed anything. I left the EGR valve plugged in. Have never had any leakage. The EGR valve did finally give up the ghost after a couple of years of having the block in place, but it is still sitting there. Have no desire to change it. Not using it anyway. 789,000 miles and counting. Oil sample look good. Just had the overhead run and bearings checked. Still lots of life to that engine.
     
  11. Cowpie1

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    If they decide to enforce and start checking my truck, I will buy a new truck..... a brand new glider kit truck with a pre-emissions engine in it. That is perfectly legal. While California may do things in a radical way, it is extremely doubtful that the rest of the country will not allow trucks to "grandfather" in. Especially in my primary operating area... the upper Midwest. The risk of a mandate for total elimination of all trucks that don't meet a 20xx standard is mighty slim.

    Already working with a dealer in spec'ing out a 2013 Freightliner. Spec'd to the gills with a factory rebuilt 12.7 Series 60 (pre-emission) and factory rebuilt Eaton 13. Everything else brand new and everything has warranties just like a brand new truck with all the emissions junk. And I also get to avoid the 12.5% Federal Excise Tax on new trucks. 16 pages of spec sheets with just about everything I can get on the truck. Current invoice price... around $105,000. That is invoice price, I can get that down. I couldn't get a similar equipped emissions laden truck for less than $130,000 at best.

    What a country!
     
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