Really if engine was designed as SCR engine it is more fuel efficient, about 8% MPG gain, becouse designers do not think about NOx emissions, they concider SCR will kill all NOx. But.... a half of DEF engines are really converted to DEF, like ALL Mercedes PLD engines converted from E3 to E5 for example.
But Scania 12L E5, Mercedes/Detroit 13/15/16, Volvo D13, DAF/Paccar MX are the real DEF engines. They really save fuel, old engines equiped with DEF usually not
I'd Like An Explanation.....
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I was supporting my choice to upgrade to modern technology because I assured by technicians that the "bugs" were worked out on the '09 engines....
I also had to upgrade since I am a Cali based Carrier....One who is not a "Designated" Business....
Add to that....I was running military cross-dock loads that required a CARB compliant rig...
But just like the TWIC program...Which I also was required to comply with....The whole thing is a joke....
The ports now allows non-compliant carriers to use proxy carriers to pick up or drop loads....
So being compliant with CARB....Compliant with the ports...Compliant with Emodal...Compliant with the Federal Government...Was Bull sheyat...And only applies to "Non-designated" carriers such as myself....
So add all that up with the EGR cooler and VGT problems....I'm not a happy man at the moment....
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Excuse me?
I'm "clueless"?
I have been an O/O since '04....If I was "clueless"....I would be out of the biz....
I attended the first CARB workshop back in '05 to discuss the pending regulations for '14....Ironman and Donaldson had reps along with the CARB rep...
At the time...We could retrofit a DPF onto the engines at the cost of $25K...Which...One could buy an engine with a DPF for less than that at the time...
In '08 CARB decided that retrofitting an old engine was not compliant so the "solution" was to drop in a new compliant engine....But that is not cost effective.....Dropping an EPA '10 engine into say a pre-EPA emissions rig could cost one up to $70K since the dash electronics and the trannies are not compatible....I know this because I researched this option before buying an '09....
Btw...How much do you take loads for?...Since you assume I am "Clueless"....I suppose I'll assume you're one of those Bottom-feeders running produce loads like they're supposed to be delivered "yesterday" at less than a buck a mile....
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I sure don't know how to answer the OP other than to say, "Ron, looks like you got yourself a lemon."
I see a bulk company replacing Cat engined Binders with Cascadias, I guess they didn't like ISXs either. I see another bulk company buying 386 and 388 Petes with MXs; they won't run FLs and they won't run ISXs. Those MX's aren't real reliable, either. BTW, you can buy ISX equipped Cascadias now, too, looks like a little cheaper than one with a DD15.
I see LEOs pulling over trucks doing rolling regens in PA because it looks like the trucks are on fire, doesn't smell like it, though, and it's Petes or KWs sans the stack(s).
I'm running a 2008 with 500K and I don't want one of these Cascadias they are getting for us now because 'they' are not as reliable as that 2008 with the DPF and no SCR. We don't do Cali, they hire outside carriers for all of those loads because of the trailers.
I will say another thing for you, Ron, and that is I respect you for trying to make it work, but this also looks like another TWIC thing to me, pay em a little more each time and you didn't need it in the first place. I haven't been to a TWIC port in NJ in 15 months, and I sure don't miss it. Never got the TWIC. There were more non TWIC drivers in Del Monte than there were compliant ones. Cost 15 bucks more for wearing a different vest, supposed to pay for an escort you never saw.
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I think I remember you picking endless fights here over how f great new engines and trucks are and how great California air gonna be - some people get what they deserve....
Don't you worry about my rates - I bring home enough to buy new rig every year paying cash. I just don't have to - my Peterbilt will last another 6 years easily when people like you - clueless "new rig" crowd will never have them even paid for. You will be lucky if you make payments on time, much less deliver loads.
Also, thanks to people like you and new emission standards crafted for you rates will only go up over time - thank you upfront for that
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