air leaf sway

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  1. tbone1471

    tbone1471 Bobtail Member

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    I recently purchased a peterbilt air leaf dump truck and this thing scares me. There is so much sway going around corners. Of course i am used to walking beams on my other trucks but i got such a good deal on this i couldn't pass it up. I really need some advice on what could possibly be wrong. This does not feel safe at all. I am pretty sure it is the peterbilt air leaf. Is there anything i can to to stop this i know there will be some sway with an air ride truck but this is outrageous. I see a lot of other trucks with sir ride and they dont move half as much as this truck. Please help i am desperate.
     
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  3. bender

    bender Road Train Member

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    If your suspension is Air Leaf it will have Air Leaf embossed on the spring hanger bracket.
    Do you see rear axle shift when loaded while turning when you watch in the mirrors?
    Check your torque bars for any free play, there should be no movement and if any is detected replace.
    If your axles have been shifting, rebush the rear suspension as the shifting trashes the bushings real fast.
    Verify your ride height is to spec.
     
  4. SL3406

    SL3406 Medium Load Member

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    I also have a dump with air leaf. It scared the crap out of me too at first. What helped more than anything was measuring the air bag height. I found it to be aired up too much. After lowering the bags it still has some sway,but it's driveable without feeling like its going to turn over any second now. Another thing that will help if this is a converted road tractor is to replace the 2 leaf front springs with 3 leaf 18k pound front springs. I've gotten use to my truck and how it feels, but I still am very cautious going around curves and corners.
     
  5. tbone1471

    tbone1471 Bobtail Member

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    The spring hangers havr neen replaced with after market, so what i did was compare what i have to online photos to determine suspension type. There is some side to side movement in the front axle. Perhaps at most 1 inch measured at the wheel. The truck was glidered at some point in its life. It does have an 18000 lb front in it. I checked all the bushings for free play and they do have some wear but it is not significant. Most bushings are neoprene? Not standard rubber. I am sure there is a learning curve here but it seems much worse than all other air ride trucks i have been in. I will recheck the suspension on monday and see if i missed anything. Any other suggestions?
     
  6. bender

    bender Road Train Member

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    Ride height. Are the bags bulging?
     
  7. tbone1471

    tbone1471 Bobtail Member

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    I found some of the old mounts from the previous owner and they say air trac on them. So I was wrong on it being the regular air leaf. The bags don't appear to be bulging. As for ride height I will check on that later today or tomorrow depending on the holiday and weather. Is it typical for this air trac to be horrible off road. I seem to get stuck as soon as there is the tiniest bit of mud. I have tried bags inflated and deflated it doesn't seem to make a difference. I am thinking it was originally a tractor before it was glidered. I don't think it matters but it has eaton ds40f rears, hendrickson 20,000lb pusher, and an meritor fl 941 20,000lb. Everywhere I looked said the front was an 18 but I found on the eaton site that it is a 20. What should I be looking for ride height 11 inches?
     
  8. bender

    bender Road Train Member

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    Not sure on the on the stuck issue. What tire tread are you running? Are you running the fat tires on the steers? 11" on the ride height would be correct on Air Trac.
     
  9. bender

    bender Road Train Member

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    Ok, I talked to the boys running air susp off road and this what they all said:
    To eliminate sway you run two leveling valves, one to control left side and one for right side.
    To eliminate constantly getting stuck you run two leveling valves and plumb them to control front drive and rear drive independently.
    Since you can't do both you'll either be swaying or getting stuck.
    In addition they say to always dump the bags before dumping load.
    They say the air suspension is only good for paved or gravel road use.
    They run either Hendrickson walking beam or Chalmers suspensions.
    Now you know why it was such a good deal.
     
  10. freightlinerman

    freightlinerman Road Train Member

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    Slow down, adjust fire to your new equipment. You will be a better driver. Every vehicle is different, day cab, spring suspension, tire type, etc. You get used to what you drive, if you drove a truck with air leaf since you started driving, you'd have never known the difference.
     
  11. GP1500SC

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    On the milk I drove for a while 6,000 gallon smooth bore on four axles, yes legal 80,000 farm to factory.
    it had rubber load helper blocks in the front springs when empty they didn't touch down, so you got as good of a ride as 20,000 pound axle gives, loaded it settled down on them and helped the handling.
    you can get them from Truck Repair in Fort Madison Ia.
    They aren't a cure all but another tool in your arsenal.
     
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