Buying a cheap, old cabover.

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by 8-j, Sep 23, 2013.

  1. SmokinCAT

    SmokinCAT Road Train Member

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    Well since you don't own one you wouldn't know, but there are parts still available for theses trucks, you might have to do some hunting to find them but there are suppliers specializing in these type of parts.

    CAT is still making a mechanical 3406 for certain apps, they are still making parts for them and most likely won't stop as a lot of their machines use the same base engines. There is a good aftermarket base for cummins hard parts and most everything is still available for the 855.

    You don't have to use reman parts everytime you rebuild, if the need arises that new parts are needed, well they are still be made as well.
     
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  3. Boardhauler

    Boardhauler Road Train Member

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    If anybody has driven more than 30 years.. There's a good chance they have driven a COE.try driving a bubble nose. Or work on them. Those were great trucks.

    I've driven a bubble nose KW. What was so great about it?

    As for that particulate trap.. Before you put on that on your truck. You really may want to investigate it a lot more. First the truck looses power from the restriction and fuel economy, they claim that they need to be cleaned one a year, but many are having to clean them out more often, and ask them where that burned ash goes. And if I remember, no matter what's on it.you really may want to talk to CARB.

    I know enough people who have done enough retrofits on enough trucks that I am able to begin to develop my own independent, informed opinions regarding which filters work the best and which installers are not blowing smoke (pun intended). I have quotes, precede by intensive due diligence, from 3 different installers and one who keeps bugging me with such stupid questions that I won't let them anywhere near my truck. No offense, but I think my view of the situation from here in CA is clearer than yours from wherever you are.


    The only engines California will recognized is a computered engine such as the 3406e.

    You can only retrofit an electronic engine, BUT the mechanical ones are good as-is for another year or two- 2016 I believe.


    Those you have to put on a particulate trap to be legal until 2024
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    Once again- pre 2004 engines will be legal til 2021 with a retrofit, 2004 through 2007 are OK til 2024.

    Now with an older truck, you lose out on the tax credits. Will have a cheaper license plate, no payments but you will have repair bills

    I have a calculator. I can do the math & make my own decisions.

    Every part on the B52s have been replaced.. Wing, parts of fuselage , engines , and get updated with the newest computers and technologies. When was the last time those rails have been replaced

    I've replaced frame rails, it's not rocket science.

    The highway patrol always loves older trucks, as they are more likely to have something wrong on them.. Worn parts, oil leaks, etc.

    The CHP likes clean, well maintained trucks driven by professional drivers who have their paperwork in order. They really don't even notice the age of the truck. I've got the clean inspections to prove it.

    So it sounds like your from California. Today you can get 45,000 bucks for a new truck rebate from the state.

    No you can't. Unless you operate the truck exclusively in California.

    Like I said one really needs to investigate retrofitting an older truck with a particulate trap. These places just want to sell you these as there is big money.

    I have bunches of files on my computer from filter installers & manufacturers and hours of phone time spent talking to reps. and to fleet owners I know who have done retrofits on their trucks Where have you gotten your info?

    Those traps are full of Platinum .. That's why the cost so much. Also where ever you mount them..when you regen, you have to be on concrete or bare dirt . They get to about 1200 degrees and can start asphalt or weeds on fire. Or any oil that may be on that frame or nearby.

    The filter that I have selected if I do a retrofit does not regen, as I explained in my previous post.

    I would be happy to go on correcting your misinformation point by point, but your post just sort breaks down into babble and my pizza is ready to pick up.
     
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  4. thirdreef

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    First any truck that is registered in California for 2 years or more can get the 45,000 bucks and can go where ever they want. There is no restriction. Second I never said anything was great about a bubble nose. And please do put a particulate trap on your truck.. I think it will do you good. You really just may want to google CARB and the LA or SF ARB. As your facts aren't current. I am from Reno, as stated on the side of my page. I go all over California and have dealt with CARB and federal EPA with pollution devices. And no you never stated that you won't regen.. Then how does the soot get burned? And if you don't then where does the soot go but stay in the filter plugging it up. In way less than once a year.. Funny thing this is not misinformation.. You really might talk to CARB. Do you want their number.. One company was already fined 100,000 bucks for not having their fleet up to par. Damnant quod non intelligunt.
     
  5. Boardhauler

    Boardhauler Road Train Member

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    I just don't have the time to counter every BS statement you make here, or to parse every rumor or opinion you present as fact. I actually have a truck that I drive every day. Here's the CARB website link;http://www.arb.ca.gov/truckstop

    Find me anything on the website that says loans/funding are available based solely on the truck having been registered in California for two years. It doesn't exist, trust me. How many times have you called CARB in the past year? How many hours have you spent on hold?

    This is going to come as a huge shock to you, but not only might some people possess opinions that are as valid as the ones you hold, and once in a very great while, they might actually have greater knowledge of the subject as well.

    Ite, missa est
     
  6. thirdreef

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    As I said before..damnant quod non intelligunt.
    You need to polish up on that attempt to belittle.. As it may come back and bite one. When one is a wantta be truck driver..funny thing about that CARB money.. It's very real. I know quite a few that got it when they bought new trucks. What you spend time on hold at CARB? Ohhh guess you don't have their other number.. The one that you get when you are actively involved with CARB s laws. And tier 4 required engines.
     
  7. 8-j

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    What prevents a person from removing the soot manually? Could you modify the dpf to allow that?
     
  8. thirdreef

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    I don't know why you couldn't . The shops do so why not.. I don't know if they have special tools to do it.. But I would think it might be a total mess with all of the soot.. Kind of like cleaning your fireplace chimney..these truck manufactures have one thing in mind.. Getting you to take your truck to a dealer shop.. So they make it hard for you.. But it may be worth a try.. Maybe having a vacuum close by so the soot doesn't take off in the wind. If you do.. Let us know how it went.. Good luck.
     
  9. Pablo-UA

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    Today I purchased Volvo Cabover, '01 FH with D12C engine (pre EGR) for $12500. Yep, many things to do, to fix some stuff (one bad injector, bad engine mounts, bad oil pressure sensor, worn tires, no Tacho, needs to be repainted)

    But I will see it in nice shape till the end of year and I hope to see it on road next year
     
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  10. Wings2Wheels

    Wings2Wheels Medium Load Member

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    That's awesome! Good luck with it...and how about some pictures?

    I can't say I've seen many Volvo cabovers.

    I don't know your level of mechanical ability, but you should try to work on whatever you can for yourself...only way to get to know the truck inside and out. Whatever you can't do yourself, try and find a shop that is both reputable and will at least allow you to observe as they do work on the truck. My first suggestion would be to check over the cab tilt pump, cylinders, and lines...unless they look brand new, I'd start off replacing all the lines and possibly having the pump rebuilt - or buy a new one and keep the old one for a spare. The tilt system is simply THAT important. Few places keep any tilt pumps or cylinders in stock anymore, so a breakdown could be further complicated if you can't get the cab up!

    That brings me to another suggestion. ..see if you can get the truck's original build sheet from Volvo. Some parts may be superceded, but in the case of PACCAR they usually can cross reference an old number.

    Looking forward to some pics!
     
  11. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    Pump works fine. but got many other problems, like arms that hold drive axle, U-bolts, kingpins, cab suspention system... looks like truck was newer fixed before)))))
     
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