2008 prostar

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  1. 543876

    543876 Bobtail Member

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    greetings,

    A year ago I paid cash for a 2008 prostar, cummins 435 ISX motor. 500k miles automated shifter. paid 30K after the trade in. (traded in a 2005 century with a series sixty and ten speed. Iv paid around 25K in the past year for repairs. a lot of stuff has been replaced, listed below
    fan clutch, batteries, altenator, starter,water pump, ECM, dpf filter, main seal at the clutch bell housing, a couple of injectors, dozer, airline governor, brake drums and shoes, and probably a few other things Iv forgotten. At this point with all the repairs and down time, I think I should have kept the 2005 freightliner and $30K. The warning engine light has been on for probably 6 of the past 12 months. Iv put maybe 75K miles the prostar. Every time I get something fixed 3000 miles later something else breaks. I don't see how anyone can work like this. Anual cost of repairs is about 3.5 times what it was with the freightliner for around 2/3rds the miles driven, and with the down time In a year I made about what I made driving a company truck, maybe a little less. MY questions is;

    1. is this normal for this type truck?

    2. Have I replaced enough componets yet?

    3. Or are the breakdowns going to continue at the same rate indefinately?

    4. would I be better off tradeing in the protsar for a 2005 or older truck.

    5. If Im going to pay 25K every year for repairs , should I be spending that 25K on a 2005 or older freightliner truck.?

    6. If I spend 25K in repairs on an older truck, will I have to spend that much every year?

    7. Is there anything I can do to reduce the repair costs on the prostar?

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  3. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    The majority of those repairs such as batteries, alt, w/p are all routine and should be expected with a used truck. The main issue you are having is going from an EGR only truck to a full aftertreatment truck that is also at the end of its useful life. DPF emission trucks are all pretty much wooped after 7 years. The emission components, wiring and sensor are all simply worn out. They do not last forever. When buying any used truck with DPF emissions you need to see service records of the main aftertreatment components such as DPF, DOC and doser injector have been properly serviced. The DPF may need replacement after time as it won't come perfectly clean after being removed and cleaned. The DOC will simply wear out along with the doser. If you are looking at a used DPF emission truck and nothing has been done then you can expect expensive repairs in the near future.
     
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  4. 543876

    543876 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks,
    In your opinion, should I try to trade in the newer prostar for a 2005 or older truck?
    Best Regards
     
  5. boneebone

    boneebone Road Train Member

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    If you're going to go older. I would go with a Pre-EGR motor, 2002 and earlier, you won't have any Emission Issues, but like any used vehicle, you may have other issues that need to be addressed.
     
  6. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    The older you go the simpler the emissions are, so repairs should be fewer, but the older you go the more worn out the whole truck is, so that is a catch 22. Lots of great used trucks out there. It is just a matter of finding them.
     
  7. WitchingHour

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    Check it regularly. If that friction disc wears down, replace it. A lot of the times, that friction disc goes unchecked, wears down past the tolerance point, and then the fan clutch goes tits up. Staying on top of that will make your fan clutch last longer. Just takes an 8mm socket or ratchet wrench (the latter is a little better for the Cummins, as the space is a bit tighter) to replace the friction disc, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than letting it go an replacing an entire fan clutch.

    Wear item. Are you running an inverter off of them? If you constantly drain and recharge batteries, that's deep cycling, and that'll greatly reduce the lifespan of the battery.

    Something you should have to replace once in a blue moon... if this becomes a recurring thing, there's definitely an issue there. Ensure that it's lined up properly, for starters.

    Same as with the alternator, provided you don't abuse it.

    Same as above re: starter and alternator

    That one shouldn't be a recurring thing. If it is, you've likely got a multiplexing short somewhere, and you'll have better luck to replace the entire harness than to try dismantling them and tracing them.

    These can be a crap shoot. Normally, they shouldn't have to actually be replaced... a simple cleaning will suffice... but if that "honeycomb" starts forming cracks, it's time for it to go. Same with the DOC... for that year Cummins, I believe you'll have the four piece DPF system... inlet, DOC, DPF, outlet.

    Happens sometimes... should not be a recurring thing.

    Happens sometimes, especially considering that engine had some miles on it before you got it, I'm sure. Shouldn't be a frequent thing.

    Was the one it originally had painted red or was it silver? If it was red, then that was the original doser which came with the engine... yeah, those don't last forever. The new one should last you a good while.

    Happens time to time, inexpensive part. Should've been able to replace this yourself and save the labor cost.

    Wear items. How long have you had this truck? IIRC, most dealerships ensure the trucks have at least 50% brakes before they sell them. How many miles between buying the truck and changing the brakes? Did they get burned out? The caveat to this is that they'll typically only measure brake depth in determining this, and not actually take off the drums to ensure they're not glazed over.

    See the commentary above. The wear out components, definitely. The dosing injector... I've yet to see one where the original didn't have to be changed out within the service life of the vehicle.

    Hopefully. The ones which should be rare/occasional things... well, if they're recurring, I'd be a bit worried.

    They shouldn't.. the major repairs should last you... unfortunately, I can't guarantee that you didn't get a lemon, nor can I say for sure that you did.

    The caveat being that a 2005 or older truck is 10 years old or older... gonna be some substantial wear and tear on those.

    I wouldn't recommend spending 25k/year in repairs on any truck. But, a lot of these major repairs should be one-off repairs... time will tell.

    Really depends how beaten to #### the truck and drivetrain components are.

    Due diligence. Take care of small issues before they get a chance to become big issues. That holds true for any truck.
     
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    Batteries-Yes I run an inverter and watch tv with truck turned off

    Doser-I don't know what color it was I had a tech do the work

    Brakes- I had the truck six months when The brakes needed to be replaced.

    A couple of things its doing now are, sometimes when its cold te shifter gets confused and it cant find a gear, it gets stuck. another thing is sometimes the oil pressure gets low. both these things can be corrected if I turn off the engine for a couple of minuts and when the light on the dash where the milage
    is goes out, I turn the truck back on. last time I did this the shifter found its gear and I drove on. Last time I noticed the oil pressure getting low I had been driving all day. I stoped turned off truck and waited till dash board light went out, then turned it back on and the oil pressure was riseing like it should. Oil pressure drops when truck has been rolling all day. stop for an hour and its ok again. also sometimes truck wont start and I user starter fluid. I havnt tried leaving truck off for a few minuts to correct this problem because I only recently determind that that could correct problems.
     
  9. WitchingHour

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    Not familiar with auto shifts. Re: oil pressure, pull codes... I have a feeling you'll see some for "Engine Oil Rifle Pressure Sensor 1 - Data Invalid, Intermittent, or Incorrect" (or something to that effect). Worst case scenario, it's a harness - most likely, it's the sensor itself, and that's a very easy fix... Small screwdriver to slide the harness locking clip out, ratchet and extension, and a 1-1/8" deep well socket.
     
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    Could you elaborate? I don't know how to check sensor or where it is. Unfortunately I don't know much about truck or working n trucks. But I will learn. I don't think I can pull any codes because I don't have the tools.
     
  11. WitchingHour

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    Yeah.... tonight, when I'm off and I can upload a photo.
     
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