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    Maxx Force 13 Engines

    Just a quick question. There is a fair amount of scuttlebutt that the 2010 Maxx Force 13 engines (with the EGR system, not with the left over Cummins Engines) are not working well in the real world. The gist is the the EGR system is producing excess heat and thus the engines are not as efficient as claimed, nor are they proving to be reliable at all. I have heard some dealers can not keep them running, can not get them to haul loads, and can not sell them whatsoever. Basically what is circulating is that these engines will fail economy tests, lack torque etc etc.

    Have any of you driven one yet, seen one, worked on one etc?

    Any insights would be greatly appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeomen View Post
    Just a quick question. There is a fair amount of scuttlebutt that the 2010 Maxx Force 13 engines (with the EGR system, not with the left over Cummins Engines) are not working well in the real world. The gist is the the EGR system is producing excess heat and thus the engines are not as efficient as claimed, nor are they proving to be reliable at all. I have heard some dealers can not keep them running, can not get them to haul loads, and can not sell them whatsoever. Basically what is circulating is that these engines will fail economy tests, lack torque etc etc.

    Have any of you driven one yet, seen one, worked on one etc?

    Any insights would be greatly appreciated

    YEO
    our terminal has 5 of them I got the first one at app 550 miles computer went out and left me sitting along I-77 until wrecker brought back my trusty old F-liner with mercedes...got truck back 2 weeks later then at 29000 miles computer went out again...they give me another new truck with 3400 miles I know have 46000 on it it seems to be doing good I have heard that the first one has had more problems yet again with computer....we havent had any regen problems mainly computer problems dealer says its due to the programming we have to run our pto...I think the one that Im driving is the only one that hasnt been back to dealer for compurt problems out of our 5 ...I heard company wide we have 350 of the maxxforce trucks and many have had computer problems...as far as performance it pulls good at low rpm but I liked the mercedes better...prior to mercedes we ran cats for years...never had problems with cats....mercedes blowed fuel lines on a regular basis but all in all they did pretty well...

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    They are some how managing to pass emissions with these engines, longevity is something that has yet to be seen.

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    I used to drive one. My company bought ten of them, 5 in Prostars and 5 in Transtars and we have had nothing but problems with them, to the point that the company stated they will buy no more of them only after a few months of having them. Mine, a Transtar, has been back to the dealer for overheating issues, exhaust issues, computer issues, and I have had to "fix", wrapping electricians tape around the electrical connectors under the hood, to keep the truck running as the cheap plastic connectors seem to vibrate off very easily. All total, in less than 300,000 miles this truck has been back to the dealer 6 times for extended stays as they try to find the problem and then fix it. I got so sick and tired of it not being reliable that I choose to drive one of our old, 2004, Sterlings. Mercedes powered, with 880,000 miles because it is much more reliable and has lots more pulling power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowPoke44magnum View Post
    I used to drive one. My company bought ten of them, 5 in Prostars and 5 in Transtars and we have had nothing but problems with them, to the point that the company stated they will buy no more of them only after a few months of having them. Mine, a Transtar, has been back to the dealer for overheating issues, exhaust issues, computer issues, and I have had to "fix", wrapping electricians tape around the electrical connectors under the hood, to keep the truck running as the cheap plastic connectors seem to vibrate off very easily. All total, in less than 300,000 miles this truck has been back to the dealer 6 times for extended stays as they try to find the problem and then fix it. I got so sick and tired of it not being reliable that I choose to drive one of our old, 2004, Sterlings. Mercedes powered, with 880,000 miles because it is much more reliable and has lots more pulling power.
    There is a local International dealer 20 miles up the road from my house. They have two bays at the end of the shop, curtained off, and work three shifts repairing defects in that Maxforce engine. International paid for the curtains etc. - they don't want their regular customers to see the amount of new trucks that require fixing - ###### silly - like mechanics don't talk.........

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    They talk more than the old bitties that spread around gossip at the old store in town. I know because I am a mechanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportster2000 View Post
    They talk more than the old bitties that spread around gossip at the old store in town. I know because I am a mechanic.
    And what are they saying? This sounds like more than the computer problems that the company has cited as the issues. With the excess engine heat, three radiators, and a maze of hoses and hose clamps the potential for troubles sees to linger everywhere

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    The troubles with the Transtar I had were not just limited to the problems that sent it to the dealer. On it's maiden trip from our home office in Pittsburgh, Pa to my terminal in Toledo, Oh it blew a power steering hose off. Twice, it actually blew off the radiator hoses, press fit clamps. Once the upper hose and once the lower hose, left me on the side of the road for a couple hours each time. The regeneration system left me sitting for over an hour 3 times when it decided it needed emptied out. This was the first truck I have ever driven that required the defroster to be on full blast with full heat to keep the windshield clear in snowy or icy weather, it really sucked having that much heat on, especially driving at night. The old Sterling I'm in now likes the temp down lower and aimed on the floor and the windshield stays nice and clear.

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    Regen are very hard for international to do for some reason. Saw one that would not do a regen for a week even though it called for one. Ended up the guy left that truck at the international dealer and did return to get it as it was a rental. Same thing on some of the smaller engine. Had one that would have power climbing one hill and then the very next hill it had nothing. No fault codes showed up, just no power. Very hard to figure those engines out.

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    My transtar had no power to pull a hill from day one and the dealer still hasn't figured out why, at least that's what the city driver says, I haven't driven it for a couple months now, I simply refuse.

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