Originally Posted by InTranzit

I can't believe they didn't put Alcoa polished aluminum rims on this truck. This steel painted black rims look lame!

in last year some trucks adopted new trend from cars , mat color without effect and black rims some even have black painted alcoa

Originally Posted by InTranzit

Yea, nice truck this Iveco!
I still think that the new MB Actros looks a hell of allot better than this!
Sure, I don't doubt that the MB is allot more expensive than the Iveco, but it looks like it's a better put together truck and I trust the Germans more then I trust the Italians.

The Italians should stick with building fast cars and quit trying to impress the world with their trucks. I've never seen a good looking FIAT/IVECO truck!

new actros is way too much expensive basic model with smallest cab cost 105000€ without tax this is 420hp narrow low cab ......

iveco prices are in range of 60000-65000€

and interior quality of new actros is not that quality like it should be for this price

for my market iveco is quite good choice not as bad as renault but problem is in downtimes they are very sensitive on electronics

r500 with bentley style interior

Originally Posted by InTranzit

The Aussie probably improved some in the interior upholstery and cab insulation, but yea, there's too much plastic on the walls and the dash still looks like the old cheap plastic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiZw3...e_gdata_player

I like the room behind the seats!

I wanna get a drive of the new actros before I pass judgement, I really like how they look and I'm really interested about the Detroit engine, I just hope they done something about that EPS gearbox, that's the biggest thing to keep me away from them, not too keen on their old fully auto's either, reversing them was a nightmare when u weren't used to them !

That r500's interior is very nice, sure does have leather work like a bently, expensive I'd imagine? The standard ones are quiete nice anyway but that's something special! Any pics of the ceiling?

Some standard ones: black Amber - http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5045/...81e272b536.jpg

Black on black v8 edition: http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...gNEOkRh84efY2w

Standard light sand colour: http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...TDKp-ELhMdw_0V

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...T43Bc3FREK35Cb

Dark n light sand :http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...eakmhsRLoGTtMa


Black interior :http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...1eBSLEf66p7ogQ

Originally Posted by InTranzit

There you go again! Back to the horse drawn carriage!

Maybe you should find a K100 with solid rubber bushing in the front mounts and just a thin rubber pad in the rear latch mounts and spring suspension all around. You'd love that thing! It may just be your "dream come true".

The coaches have a very long wheelbase compared with tractor truck. Regardless of what kind of axle suspension you have in a tractor truck, you can't prevent the jarring of that cab without an independent cab suspension.
I guess, you love that seat backrest dislocating your lungs out especially in a short wheelbase COE.
I remember the MAN F8 of the 1970's well.

No thanks, I'll pass on that one!

Truck development is not always going forward. I think you are one of those who like all these I-Shifts, traction controls etc. that don't work here when it's winter. And wheelbase has nothing to do with comfort, it's just american trucker myth, just did 1 trip with long wheel base rigid FH Volvo, air front hit very hard in potholes and swinging cab airsuspension didn't help either.

K100 would be nice if it had suspension. And if it had better ergonomics and...

I've been to Ireland, the roads are smooth if you compare to Russia. Russians don't buy Toplines because the badly designed cab suspension can't take the beating. They mostly have Highlines with coil springs and 3 leaf parabolics at front axle because that's the most comfortable option on their roads. Cab air suspension would bottom out and 2 leaf front would bottom out.

A little scientific approach. Some ortopedist came to a conclusion that older drivers have less back problems because they had to use their muscles to take the beating of bad roads and almost inexistent suspension. In todays trucks with 3 suspensions on top of each other you lose the feeling of road and it still hits but suddenly because you don't know which way it is next bouncing. Hits are softer but they still break your discs because you keep your back too relaxed.

Originally Posted by V8Lenny

Truck development is not always going forward. I think you are one of those who like all these I-Shifts, traction controls etc. that don't work here when it's winter. And wheelbase has nothing to do with comfort, it's just american trucker myth, just did 1 trip with long wheel base rigid FH Volvo, air front hit very hard in potholes and swinging cab airsuspension didn't help either.

K100 would be nice if it had suspension. And if it had better ergonomics and...

I've been to Ireland, the roads are smooth if you compare to Russia. Russians don't buy Toplines because the badly designed cab suspension can't take the beating. They mostly have Highlines with coil springs and 3 leaf parabolics at front axle because that's the most comfortable option on their roads. Cab air suspension would bottom out and 2 leaf front would bottom out.

A little scientific approach. Some ortopedist came to a conclusion that older drivers have less back problems because they had to use their muscles to take the beating of bad roads and almost inexistent suspension. In todays trucks with 3 suspensions on top of each other you lose the feeling of road and it still hits but suddenly because you don't know which way it is next bouncing. Hits are softer but they still break your discs because you keep your back too relaxed.

28 mm 2 leaf springs like in your 144 will bottom out but change them to 34mm's, by far the most comfortable option for sprung suspensions, 3 leaf are too hard, that's probably why cab bushings are wearing out prematurely. We have both long and short versions of r620 6*4's in the yard, the long wheel base like I drive is far more comfortable than the shorter ones, same trucks, same heavy duty sprung suspension but the long one rides very smooth!

Scania offered a 2 point cab suspension for fleet trucks in the uk about 10 years ago as a cost saving exercise for big fleets, what happened next is they got sued multiple times for back pains, maybe it's just a case of drivers being spoilt nowadays but the day of 2 point cab suspension is over.

Originally Posted by Scania man

That r500's interior is very nice, sure does have leather work like a bently, expensive I'd imagine? The standard ones are quiete nice anyway but that's something special! Any pics of the ceiling?

it is probably not expensive since it is polish

look better there is no chrome frame around air vent opens and look at steering wheel buttons and you will see plastic , usually those pieces are metal on most of scanias

until now i saw only 2 r series with plastic frame around air vents



about cabs now here scania gives you topline for same price as highline usually difference on our market is 2000€

Originally Posted by Scania man

28 mm 2 leaf springs like in your 144 will bottom out but change them to 34mm's,

non of this options exist

scania offers 2x30mm for 6.7 and 7.1 capacity

2x32mm for 7.1 or 7.5t capacity

3x29mm up to 9t

and 4x28

also offers 7x15 for 6.7t capacity and 9x15 for 9ton capacity those are multi leaf trapezial suspension here all have 2x32