Very Hard Steering on International 9800 Cabover

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  1. silveraden

    silveraden Bobtail Member

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    Thanks that I found this forum.

    I hope I can have my problem sorted out.

    Recently, we purchased 2 units of International 9800. These are used trucks and we are on the process of minor restoration before we start using it.

    The first truck has a very hard power steering. A number of local mechanics told me that the pump should be repaired. I dismantled the pump and I did not see any problem as it is functioning well and the fluid comes out by just turning the rotor a little. I cleaned the pump and re-installed it but the same problem occurred:

    What I have done so far.

    1. Removed and totally dismantled/cleaned the power steering pump (no problem found in the inside, no noise)
    2. checked all hydraulic connections for leaks (nothing)
    3. I even removed the pump of other truck and installed it here just to try but the problem is the same. Nothing changes after using another pump from another truck.
    4. Checked and replenished the ATF fluid.

    Now my question is, is it possible that the gear box has a problem?

    I plan to to disconnect the pit-man arm tomorrow and check if I can turn the wheel without load and to see if it is still hard.

    What do you think? I'm from Philippines anyway and I hope to solve this problem as quickly as possible.

    Another local mechanic told me to bring the pump to machine shop and have it resurfaced to have a good fitting but I don't see the logic. The O-rings have no damage and are fitted well.

    Thank you very much.

    Edited:

    I just noticed after posting this that there is an assigned forum for International trucks. My apology. Please move this thread.

    Thank you
     
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2014
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  3. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    Try to jack up the front axles so the wheels are off the ground and see if you can move the wheels side to side by hand. You may have seized or tight king pins.
     
  4. silveraden

    silveraden Bobtail Member

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    Hi,
    I just did lifted both front wheels and I can steer without any problem. It is very smooth even if engine is off. Once thing I noticed is that, the ATF tank is overflowing on it's opening even if the cover is tight when I apply higher rpm.It's like pressure is accumulating inside the lubricant tank? Any advice?

    Thanks
     
  5. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    Well, to properly test it you need a power steering flow and pressure analyzer put on it. This will tell you if the pump is actually ok or not, and if the gear is working properly or not. Since you had the pump apart and it looks good, and the fluid looks good, I would try an new/rebuild steering gear. Make sure your power steering reservoir is not over full. The level should be a couple of inches from the top. Does have a dip stick for the power steering tank?
     
  6. silveraden

    silveraden Bobtail Member

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    The tank is not over full and I always check the fluid. Another problem that occurred is that, the differential lock won't dis-engage so we can't move the truck backwards and onward.
     
  7. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    You should still be able to turn the wheels side to side with out moving the truck forwards or backwards. The oil splashing in the tank is a bit puzzling. Make sure all your lines are good and clear with no restrictions. Some times older trucks that have sat for a while will have hoses that have collapsed internally, but look fine externally. Take the lines off and see if fluid flows through them nicely. Most power steering tanks have a filter inside, make sure it is not plugged, or just install a new one if you can. If that is all good, I still think you are looking at a gear problem.
     
  8. silveraden

    silveraden Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for all the responses. I just solved the problem. I totally cleaned the tank and also cleaned the filter. It looked like the input hose was clogged so the fluid coming to the pump was not enough. After cleaning the tank and the filter, I can steer smoothly. The only remaining problem is the maxi break. I don't know how to dis-engage.
     
    Heavyd Thanks this.
  9. mnmover

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    To release a parking brake look for a long threaded bolt hanging on the exterior of the brake chamber. Unscrew it and put the nut and washer back on it just onto the threads. In the center of the brake chamber there should be a plastic or rubber plug. Use a screwdriver to pop it out and then insert the long bolt into the hole. The end of the bolt has a T that fits through an opening at the bottom of the assembly inside the chamber. Push it down through the T space and turn it 1/2 turn and then tighten the bolt with a 3/4 inch wrench. It will compress the chamber and allow the brake to release. Do NOT loosen the clamps that go around the chamber. Loosening these can let the brake come apart and cause bodily harm. If your chamber has a large nut in the center, but no hole, just tighten the bolt to compress the spring tension and release the brake.
     
  10. 04 LowMax

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    If this truck has sat for a long time, another likely culprit is siezed up s cams. You need to narrow down the problem and give a bit more information. Take the pins out from the clevis on the end of the push rod from the maxi. Then you can see if the maxi pots are releasing. If the push rods go in and out as they should when the park brake is applied and released (good to have two people, one to pull and push the yellow handle and one to watch underneath). Then, if the pots are working ok, take a pipe wrench and see if you can move the s cams, or sometimes it takes a hammer to pound them back to released position. If they are seized you can try greasing and working them back and forth. They need to move freely (remembering there is a spring on the brake shoes). If you can't get them working freely, you need to take the wheels, and the drums off, and see what is going on. Try this, and let us know how it goes. Glad you got the steering figured out.
     
  11. silveraden

    silveraden Bobtail Member

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    I'm sorry, I am not really familiar with other terms so here are the actual pics. I don't know what to adjust. This is for the middle axle. The rear axle is working fine without any problem. It looks like the rod is stuck.

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    Thanks for looking, and for help
     
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