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Old 10.13.2009
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Personally I don't think a electronic motors fuel system will be able to deliver that kind of fuel. If they are pushing 3000 HP then pretty much everything is a one-off design or aftermarket and I don't see the trucks living in a everyday trucking enviroment that we think of...some people have a different idea of what a "everyday work truck" is. I will say this...for the super semis in the NTPA to push 3000+ HP a special sygma pump is needed to supply enough pressure and volume. Also with that much fuel going in your gonna have boat loads of heat to deal with. The heat alone makes the 3000 HP with out water injection very very doubtful. A person may get away with one or two runs, but after that the pistons are gonna be chunks of aluminum.

As for the driveline...a stock over-the-road drive train will handle most of the abuse, except for the clutch. I'm guessing these guys are running pure custom built clutches or custom Lipe clutches. The driveshafts and u-joints are pretty stout in the stock for if care is taken inspectin them. But just to be safe, thicker walled driveshafts are available and I would guess there are stronger u-joints on the market.
most likely 46k rears or up but how would it keep up to all that punishment
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coga and couture drive there truck on highway to every event, sometimes they drive over 400 miles.
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I have been to the mechanic's shop for eric Bouchard,he was there main comp, you likely saw him on youtube, they are very french, hard to communicate but they try, they have told me 1500hp++ before going internal, just inj,turbo ,tune.



you have been bouchard mechanic ?????? where.
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Back to the 2500hp thing again....
Fuel supply, this is what I have been thinking so far...my maths can be pretty rough and I've made a few assumptions so feel free to pick it to bits if you can see any faults in my calculations, V8Lenny I'm looking at you
Our aim is 2500HP at 3000RPM
A factory marine 1000hp C18 makes 1000hp burning approx 50 gallons of fuel per hour.
So I will assume to make around/over 2500hp we need around 150 gallons/hour (a generous estimate).

Our 10R0959 injectors have a plunger diameter of 10.98mm
The 1000hp cam (biggest factory one can find) has an injector lobe height of 10.445mm
The injector rocker ratio is almost exactly 1.5:1
Therefore we have 15.668 of plunger travel at the injector.
Injector plunger area is 94.689mm2
Therefore the maximum volume posssible to be injected if the solenoid was on for the entire lenght of the stroke would be 1483.587mm3.
I think the injector couldnt inject the full amount of fuel under the plunger (what with pressure rise time, leak past, not 100% filling and other factors) so I think 80% is a fair estimate, so our injector is capable of injecting 80% (Far Call, you may have insite here if this estimate is wrong) of the volume, ie. 1186.87mm3 of fuel

At 3000rpm there are 9000 injector firing shots per minute (a 6 cyl 4 stroke engine fires 3 injectors for each revolution)
So 9000 firing shots at 1186.87mm3 is 10681830mm3 or 10681.830cc

150gallon/hour converts to 2.5 gallon/minute
2.5 gallons = 9463.529cc

So in conclusion our engine requires 9463.529cc/minute to make 2500hp at 3000rpm, our fuel system should in theory be able to supply 10681.830cc/minute at 3000rpm, more than enough to make 2500hp.

What do we think? plausable or have I missed something?
Plausable, I think, but.. Like with all engines getting enough air into the engine is the biggest problem. That 1000hp C-18 makes that power without smoke but if you can't keep that same "clean" A/F ratio at 2500 hp, then you need a lot more fuel. When going over the smoke limit in diesel engine, the engine efficiency drops very quickly and that means you get less power from given fuel amount.

I think pullingtrucker is also right about the heat. You will propably need water injection to keep engine alive for more than 5 seconds, even if you use air-to-water intercooler filled with icewater.

I guess those 3000+ hp supersemis make max power at more than 3000 rpm, maybe 4000-5000 range. HP is torque x rpm, at higher rpm you get more power with lower torque. Lower torque means lower cylinder pressures.
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coga and couture drive there truck on highway to every event, sometimes they drive over 400 miles.
They are not doing any work with those trucks. Black Stallion is one of the few real working trucks. Try doing some work with this kind of engine..


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They are not doing any work with those trucks. Black Stallion is one of the few real working trucks. Try doing some work with this kind of engine..


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They work those trucks, not hard and not with those parts/files in the motor.
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They work those trucks, not hard and not with those parts/files in the motor.
So basically they don't work the engine then...the trucks are still impressive, but I like to see real work trucks roll of the road and compete without swapping parts. Just my opinion though.
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I like to see real work trucks roll of the road and compete without swapping parts.
Me too. Just change from no-smoke program to full-smoke program and back.
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you have been bouchard mechanic ?????? where.
No, I have been to the shop of Bouchard's mechanic. I am not his mechanic, but it would be cool.
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ok been tryin to follow the horsepower thread and getting lost in the rest to achieve those kind of rpms couldnt you use a C-18 crank shorter rods and larger pistons sort of a STROKER i have heard of this being done with 1lw blocks 3406 and mounds of lift cam with mechanical pumps i am sure sigmas run some sort of quad turbo with a custom air to air . then spray the air/air with CO2 for cooler air charge
pistons were from oil field gen sets liners the same not sure on the brand i could look it up .. this could be cool if we come up with a plausible solution id like to see it run !!!!!
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