Yellow (YRC)

Discussion in 'YRC' started by alf, Jan 16, 2009.

  1. bigblue19

    bigblue19 Road Train Member

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    Well the fact is that most trucking companies are non-union and in the case of unionized consolidated freightways they don't go out of business they just change the name and operate without the unions.

    Since a trucking company can be 1 truck it would make better sense to look at the decline of union membership rather then a company failure.

    I am not against Union organization, I am against some of the socialist policies they advocate.

    People should get a fair living wage for the work they perform. But should a for profit company have to shell out wages to their workers for years after they leave the work place? Nope. Should the rules in the workplace be so absurd that they restricted the company from running efficiently and upgrading? Nope.

    Should people who spent years walking around with their chests puffed out calling everyone who was not union fools and scabs and then begged for a handout from non-union taxpayers get my sympathy? Nope.
     
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  3. luvtheroad

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    A lot of those people are working for non union companies now or wish they were. I agree that no hand outs should be given. And the only sympathy I have is for the people who worked for those companies who had no say in the futures of their jobs. YRC employees had no say when it came to buy outs and mergers. Most people don't remember it's not just Yellow and Roadway. Several other companies are involved in this fiasco.

    As I've said to several on here and I'll say to you, it is a pleasure to read well thought out posts. I am amazed at some of the others and the fact that they haven't a clue about what's happened to these companies and the industry as a whole. Thanks.
     
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  4. _ton bundle

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    That didn't happen. CCX and CF were separately run for many years. If it were that easy to break the union, more companies would do it. The Teamsters looked for many years to see if they were funneling assets between companies and never found the evidence. If some evidence has become available, I would like to hear it. I haven't followed the CF implosion since it happened.

    The number I was using was from Transport Topics and CCJ and it was for trucking companies with 5 or more trucks. My point was just that non-union companies go under, too.

    Money is paid into the pension fund at the same time as the employee's wages, like a 401(k) match. When the employee retires, the contributions from the company are done. The company negotiates an hourly rate per employee with the union and the union decides how to divide it up between wages, health care and pension. So, I disagree with your assesment that companies are shelling out wages for former employees. They aren't, that's not how pensions work at YRC (plus they have defined benefit pensions AND 401(k) matches for their managers, out of the goodness of their hearts).

    Wholeheartedly agreed. It also makes the union workers fixated on rules, instead of the success of the company.

    Don't confuse the UAW with the Teamsters- different unions, but I agree with you on the bailouts. As far as the name calling goes, I have never agreed with that. Pack/ herd mentality, I guess. We all are just trying to put food on the table and make a better life for our kids. Calling someone a scab just reminds me of 3rd grade.

    Thanks luvtheroad and bigblue19. Good posts and good points all around.
     
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  5. luvtheroad

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    bigblue19 and ton bundle... keep up the great posts, they are good to read and really makes a person think. It's is so refreshing to see posts that are well thought out and posted. Keep 'em coming.
    BTW are the two of you LTL people or people who are interesting in the industry as a whole?
     
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    Used to be. Now I'm just a freight geek with a love for the old school carriers.
     
  7. luvtheroad

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    A freight geek? Who among the old school carriers did you work for? We may have crossed paths or telephone wires.
     
  8. Mooney

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    Not one insider has bought YRC shares lately, what does that tell us?
     
  9. luvtheroad

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    I would buy them but I am way tooooooooooo broke to buy anything but fuel oil to heat my house...
     
  10. bigblue19

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    I don't know how they do things at that Union but I do know how they do it at others. The pension amount is determined by the workers highest paid year so what the union does is make sure that a worker who is close to retirement gets as many hours and thus pay so that his pension amount will be bloated at the time of retirement. This is very common both on the federal and state and city level where everyone is going broke while taxes go up and services go down.

    Where I live you have city workers making 150% of their base salary in OT while ones who are less senior are getting their hours or days cut so when the senior union workers retire they will get a higher pension. They tell the junior ones they are part of a brotherhood and have to sacrifice for the good of the collective. Pure Socialist ideology is at work in many of these outfits.

    Like I said before. A Business should exist to provide a product or service for a fair profit. Not as a exercise in social welfare or to make sure their workers maintain a certain lifestyle through extortion even if the companies books don't warrant it, because if they don't, the Union will punish them with a strike.

    I have worked in a union and have been to many union and non-union operations as a truck driver. Guess where I got treated the worst and had the most aggravation with delays and screw ups? The sense of entitlement is ingrained into many of these individuals and they see anyone who is not a member of the brotherhood as a outsider not worthy of any respect.

    People complain about high paid CEO's with companies in debt but don't bat a eyelash at a union player for the Lions making millions while they went o for, for the season.

    These Union trucking companies should just replace the work force and get ride of the legacy payments. Plenty of people out there who would produce for a good wage rather then think it was owed to them for just showing up.
     
  11. luvtheroad

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    You've made valid points and I agree with you but it's just not going to happen. At least I won't see it in my lifetime.
    My husband was a Teamster for many, many years. He got hurt on the job and never was able to work again. So, he had to take early retirement. He had a year to go. After paying dues for all of those years, he got $615 a month and no benefits. Had he been able to work just one more year he would have gotten benefits and almost $2000 a month. Not a lot of justice there, I don't think. But I guess $615 is better than nothing. LOL
     
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