Can I get a copy of a fuel receipt from the truck stop?

ichudov · Jan 17, 2021

tlalokay said: ↑

I'm sick of dispatchers/owners sitting in their offices behind a desk or computer screen telling drivers in the thick of things what's what. There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking by people who aren't behind the wheel and it's nonsense. Trust the driver. If you don't, get another one. If you can't, don't come to a forum packed with drivers to complain that your "math" doesn't add up, implying that the driver has stolen from the company. And what a surprise- there are actually other drivers that sympathize with the suspicious owner. I'd hate to drive in the same company as those snakes.
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I understand your emotion. I am also a driver and drive my semi truck 3-4 times weekly. I also have two drivers who drive "their" trucks.

I feel that it is my responsibility as the owner to "trust but verify", as another user said here. I tried to "verify" without unfounded accusations being made to the driver.

ichudov · Jan 17, 2021

tlalokay said: ↑

Do I need to own trucks in order to know that suspecting a person for stealing based on assumptions and "fuzzy math" is wrong and it happens all the time in the industry because it has happened to me plenty?

Like I said- I would hate to drive in the same company as some of the snakes in this thread. You'd be the first ones in the office egging on the suspicious owner/dispatcher, hanging a fellow driver out to dry over your own misplaced sense of "right & wrong".
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You sound like a smart guy. So one day, perhaps, you save money and would open your own trucking outfit, and then buy a couple more trucks and get drivers. Let's say a driver comes to you asking for a reimbursement of a fuel expense, without the actual gallons/dollars, with a preauthorization that looks high to you.

What would you do? Would you just pay out without thinking? Would you stop for a minute to think if it is possible? Would you try to ask the truck stop for the actual fuel receipt?

My business neighbor runs a porta-potty business. He took delivery of a truck load of new porta-potties and his employee stole one of them in the employee's pickup truck. I know about it because the owner came to me asking for camera footage from one of my cameras. It turned out that the employee thought that the owner would not notice "just one" porta-potty missing, but the owner of course counted and noticed. Things happen.

ichudov · Jan 17, 2021

REALITY098765 said: ↑

The other side of the coin-- Was the driver compensated for the transaction fees and interest incurred or did the company steal from the employee.
We all know ''companies'' are all on the up and up all the time.
Not implying any thing toward the OP , just in general.
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He was compensated for the actual expense. The fuel oasis is paying "transaction fees", not the cardholder. I doubt he is paying interest and he did not mention.

ichudov · Jan 17, 2021

ZVar said: ↑

Working with the boss is fine. Being taken advantage of and then called a thief unfounded is something completely different. Which is what the op did...
Driver tried to help out and then got accused of stealing from the company. How is that working with the boss?
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But I did not accuse him, I asked here how I can verify his expense.

ZVar · Jan 17, 2021

ichudov said: ↑

But I did not accuse him, I asked here how I can verify his expense.
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Yeppers. Just re-read your first post in the thread and it sounds like an accusation to me. Might not be how you meant it, but that's how it sounds.

Badmon · Jan 17, 2021

ZVar said: ↑

Yeppers. Just re-read your first post in the thread and it sounds like an accusation to me. Might not be how you meant it, but that's how it sounds.
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I guess its subjective but an accusation to me is black and white. He inquired, didnt accuse. For example, a confrontation, OP asking his employee directly, would definitely come off as accusatory. Instead he did his own homework to be sure. I dont see anything wrong with that at all considering most business owners watch their funds like a hawk if not pay someone to do it. These folks arent in business to be giving out money for free. Nothing wrong with keeping up with your books

REALITY098765 · Jan 17, 2021

ichudov said: ↑

He was compensated for the actual expense. The fuel oasis is paying "transaction fees", not the cardholder. I doubt he is paying interest and he did not mention.
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You sound like a nice enough person to me. It's ok to be cynical in today's world.
The card itself has transaction fees and if it's a credit card with a balance there will be interest, won't be much but still.

If he doesn't mention it not much you can do, In the interest of personal relations maybe you could ask him.

Wouldn't some kind of fleet card save you money?

kylefitzy · Jan 17, 2021

tlalokay said: ↑

Considering he was accused of stealing from jumpstreet, not likely he was even thanked properly.
How do you know he wasn't thanked when he turned in the preauthorization? Remember the only reason he had to pay out of pocket was because he didn't remember to get a fuel card before he left.

I have been in plenty of managerial positions, in charge of hiring/firing, and I've been expected to run the trucks I drive as if I'm a co-owner. You guys are trying to make out truck ownership like some sort of priesthood. It's "simple math" remember?

I'm avoiding truck ownership like the plague, not because I'm incapable of managing my own business- I'm an independent contractor and have my own business outside the industry- rather, I don't want or need the headache.

There's a mile between not caring at all and not wanting to bear the stress of ownership as a company driver. You guys out here paying over $1,000 out of pocket to keep someone else's truck moving on the road are not heroes, you're zeroes.
Here comes the Hypocritical statement...
The next guy that comes along is going to be expected to do the same, even though they shouldn't have to. Have I pulled out my own card to pay for expenses, expecting reimbursement? Sure.
And there it is.^ Why call someone a zero then do the same thing? I'm not sure if that was directed at me or not, if it was, those expenses were on my very next pay check. If you can't afford to "loan" a bit of money, for a pay period, to make you life easier you should look at your personal finances. If it was truly an issue, our drivers can take and advance and have the money right back it their pocket.

Have I turned wrenches whenever possible to keep my own pockets getting filled? Of course.
same
Do I think for a second that that's my job or part of my job description as a company driver? Hell no.
same
Any of you that think so are retarded and making the job something it's not and giving owners the wrong idea. You're not welcome.
again pot meet kettle. Thank you anyways!
Stop being a part of the problem in the industry and start being a part of the solution. The days of making amazing money in being a driver and putting in extra work because of that are over. Most new trucks can no longer be wrenched back on the road, most owners could care less what the driver does to keep the truck moving, as soon as there's a problem, it's always the driver's fault.
The money is still out there if your willing to work for it, I'm 29 and grossed over 100 last year, as a company driver. I do agree when something goes wrong its always the drivers fault. I work with a guy who dropped the neck on and trailer and caused ~$200 worth of damage, it cost him half of his $2000 dollar safety bonus. That driver and I have saved the company 100's in minor repair over the last few years, But that's never taken into account.

And most drivers being hired because they are willing to work for peanuts, no company-paid benefits, no retirement IRA, not even a #### FUEL CARD, are expected to give two loves about some petty, suspicious, low-down owner and whether his trucks are properly maintained and fueled up, on unassigned equipment?

I've been there before AS A DRIVER! They expect you to be wasting your time, UNPAID, fueling every single pup you get into, every day.
Id bet #### good money the driver in this situation is paid by the hour. are you? if not YOU'RE the one who's fueling for free.

The owner in question said he spent an HOUR just getting a fuel receipt. Do you think he pays his drivers for the time they spend fueling HIS TRUCKS? Right...
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I'll just keep being a zero over here, doing what I can to make my life easier and keeping this truck rolling. Im glad I'm not so #### negative. That must be miserable. Luckily I have the time today, my loads not ready for the second day in a row, another easy $250 for sitting here.

snowwy · Jan 17, 2021

We don't pay the transaction fees. Though.

That's merchant.

There's a fee for credit to the merchant. No fee for debit.

kylefitzy · Jan 17, 2021

snowwy said: ↑

We don't pay the transaction fees. Though.

That's merchant.

There's a fee for credit to the merchant. No fee for debit.
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And he paid the driver for the amount put on the card. If the driver decides to pocket the cash, not put it towards the credit card, and carry a balance that is charged interest, why is that the owners fault?

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