Re-learning to shift a 13-speed EF

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  1. gekko1323

    gekko1323 Road Train Member

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    So Brett, I took her out on the highway for a spin today. At 65 mph, I was at exactly 1400 rpm like you said. So I have a question now because something seemed weird.

    I had it in the last gear (8th or 12th whatever you prefer) with the splitter BACK (direct?). Since I was doing 65, I wanted to go into overdrive (13th) to drop the rpm. So I pushed the splitter forward (into overdrive?) and let off the throttle. So the funny thing is, when I hit the throttle again, it felt like a DOWNSHIFT. The rpm went higher and the speed lowered. This threw me for a loop. I thought the opposite was supposed to happen. Has this happened to you? Is this normal?

    Also, you mentioned in an earlier post to get rid of "vgt". What is that? You mean delete the turbo charger?
     
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  3. Brettj3876

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    Does it happen in any other gear?

    The vgt is variable geometry turbo. A lot guys go back to the old style after a delete but I'd leave it if it's not giving you any trouble. Better spool up on the low end
     
  4. gekko1323

    gekko1323 Road Train Member

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    I don't think it did. But I'll look out for that next time. I plan on hitting the road next week. I need to start earnin' to get all my money back. "Spool up on the low end"?
     
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    Less turbo lag in the beginning when you're trying to get it spooled up.
     
  6. gekko1323

    gekko1323 Road Train Member

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    Good morning fellas. A lot of you were right. This tranny is very easy to work with. The floating is very forgiving. I'm having an issue though. I am driving it like a 9-speed and only using the splitter on the last gear. However, when I move the splitter forward (to get into 13th), the engine reacts like it's DOWNSHIFTING. Rpm go up, road speed drops. I don't get it. I was doing 65 at 1400 rpm when I started the split. Any insight will be appreciated.
     
  7. gekko1323

    gekko1323 Road Train Member

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    Thank you. I still don't get the lingo. "Spooled up on the low end"? Do you mean rev it higher or hit the throttle more assertively in the low gears? I DID notice that when I hit the throttle, it takes her a second to react. Throttle sensor issue? Or is it the normal lag you're talking about?
     
  8. God prefers Diesels

    God prefers Diesels Road Train Member

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    It just means when you move the button back, you're going into high.

    No. The turbo charger is spinning at low engine RPM basically as fast as the engine's exhaust velocity. Once you floor it, a bunch more exhaust is flowing through the turbo, but now it "spools up" (spins faster) because of heat expansion in the exhaust which is 99% of what drives the turbo. Exhaust velocity at that point being a tiny percentage.

    Now take a regular turbo with no VGT. It's got a fixed size exhaust housing. The smaller the inside is, the harder the engine can drive the turbo (faster spool up). But smaller also means higher exhaust temps, higher drive pressure (hard on head gaskets). So you want a smaller inside so the turbo gets up to speed faster (spool up), but it sure would be nice to have a larger inside for normal cruising, and long pulls, right?

    Enter VGT. It's got vanes inside the exhaust section of the turbo that can make it seem small when you need to build boost quickly (like leaving a stop light), and then the vanes open up and it acts like a big turbo once you have sufficient boost pressure.

    Ever watch your boost gauge from a dead stop? It starts building boost kind of slow, then all the sudden it just takes off? VGT is a way to make it spool faster right off the bat.

    It also has other uses. Helps warm up your engine faster in the morning. Helps your Jakes work ten times better. It can even be used as a full on exhaust brake on a pickup. It adds some complexity to a turbo, and a lot of cost, but it's a great invention.
     
  9. Another Canadian driver

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    Perfect description. I hope OP will understand how it works.
    I want to add something tangential. The turbo actuator and the vanes that it moves..
    The vanes can be easily damaged by very high temperatures.
    The actuator won't be able to move them anymore and a fault code will be logged.
    There is a solution to this issue. It's called a Turbo blanket. I strongly recommend it's use.
    Why Use A Turbo Blanket?
    Here is turbo blanket for a Holset VGT:
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  10. God prefers Diesels

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    Turbo blanket helps maintain EGT coming from the engine. Heat expansion from the exhaust gas is what drives the turbo, so you want it to stay hot. Too high of EGT's in the first place can be a problem for the turbo. 99% of the time, that's a "too much fuel for your available air" problem. Throwing on a turbo blanket will make a noticeable difference in spool time. Manifold blanket too. Any heat loss will cause the turbo to light slower.
     
  11. Another Canadian driver

    Another Canadian driver Road Train Member

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    EGT can be easily lowered using an 'ancient' technique called Water injection.
    Water or water-methanol mix up to 50% can be used in the intake manifold.
    A molecule of water vaporized by high temp increases
    it's volume by 1800% while lowering the temp around it.
    A molecule of methanol burns generating more power than just diesel.
    A 2-3% ratio (water/diesel mix gets excellent results).
    It should be limited to hill climbing when temperature start climbing too.
    Banks in CA did a lot of research and is recognized in the industry.
    Disclaimer: I do not extract any benefit recommending this solution.
    I'm not affiliated with any company that sell any water injection devices.
    I saw it applied with good results. The engine has to be in perfect running condition, though.
    Banks Straight-Shot® Water Methanol Injection
     
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