New CDL class A with lots of questions

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  1. Truckingdaytrader

    Truckingdaytrader Light Load Member

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    I have another question... does anyone know what Union jobs pay? I am in Northern California. I assume it's all Teamsters union. I was looking at their pay schedule but I don't understand it.
     
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  3. lual

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    Unions are much more prevalent out west, and up north.

    Here in the southeast...not so much.

    What they pay is also largely a function of location--and the relevant area cost of living.


    Your biggest problems with cryo duty--you need to build up some real seat time elsewhere, first; & given where you are living, a daily commute with that will very likely be just too much.

    Thus: I would refer you back to post #33--your employer will probably want you to be able to park a hazmat tanker rig behind a gated & locked fence.

    Unless there is a terminal not too far away that you can park at for weekly (or whatever) home time.

    --Lual
     
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  4. Truckingdaytrader

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    I live out west... I am in Northern California. Unions are very relevant here. To be honest I am kicking myself for not putting more effort into joining San Francisco Local 6 electrical union. It's hard as hell to get in though. Apprenticeship is 5 years but inside lineman make $83 an hour! 40 hours is like $166k and, obviously, nobody does just 40. I live about an hour and a half north but would have transitioned to the area. I started moving into that direction but they had a hiring freeze during covid. They have a long ### waiting list already so I sort of gave up on it.
    I am not worried about parking anything around me for cryogenic. There are plenty of safe, fenced places for cheap. I also have friends who have businesses. etc so that's not the hard part. I am aware that I will need some seat time first. A couple years is fine. I just need to make 80-100k doing whatever in the meantime, which seems doable around my area.
     
  5. lual

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    Basically.....as a new CDL "class-A" driver....your first 12 to 18 months will pretty much suck.

    Why?

    Because...you're getting used to....& learning.....so many different, new things. Change (on that level) is hard.

    The first-year drop-out rate for new drivers is something like 80-90%. There's plenty of reasons for that.

    Be advised: your first year to 18 months, as a new driver....will truly test your mettle.

    Especially if you start out driving in California.....:p

    Once on the "other" side, however--you'll thereafter think differently about yourself, because you will have accomplished something truly unique and valuable.....that most other people can't (or won't) even try--much less, do.

    That first couple of years as a driver....is really (also) an investment in yourself (which, honestly....is of course the best kind)....so choose your first carrier wisely. Pick one that trains, and trains well.

    Schneider was a tough first gig. There....your time out on a trainer's truck is VER-RY short. :confused:

    Some people may actually like that. But....as a general rule....I would advise much more time out with a trainer--at least 3 weeks.

    Having said all that--I think that now is an EX-CEL-LENT time to get into the industry.

    Why?

    Well, all the older, seasoned guys and gals....are starting to retire, or otherwise leave the industry.

    And they're not being replaced fast enough.

    The simple, cold, hard truth is....no one (generally speaking, of course) really wants to work, anymore.

    This set of above conditions opens a BIG door of opportunity for those who bring the right inner strength and work ethic with them.

    Given all the above--this set of circumstances has indeed created a true "driver's market".

    Also--these new(er) trucks ride A LOT better than their predecessors. Their interiors are also MUCH NICER....than earlier models.

    Most fleets now have gone to all automatic transmissions--so "double clutching" and/or "floating" gears is (at this point, anyway) almost in the same boat as the slide rule, the 8-track tape player, and tube television sets. :p

    Since the tractor is now shifting gears for you--you, as the driver, can now focus that much more on what is going on around you (aka, "situational awareness")....and this of course makes you a better....& safer....driver.

    In truly hectic situations--this advantage can indeed prove to be one factor that makes the difference between success and failure.

    Anyway....others here may disagree with parts of what I have said above.

    But that's ok--that's (in part) why forums like this were created.

    --Lual
     
  6. Truckingdaytrader

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    I actually love shifting and I am sad that I probably won't get much time doing it but overall I am in it for the money. To be honest, my part of Cali only has one major highway, hwy 101. Sure there is traffic jams. I use to drive in it 1.5-2 hours a day, each way, when I first moved here, for work. But I am from the south shore of Boston. I grew up in snowy traffic, ####ty pot hole infested roads, constant construction (the "Big Dig" took place when I was there). Driving out west is CAKE compaired to the east coast. The only comparison is driving in LA but still nothing on Boston or NYC. I know driving a truck is different then a car or light duty pick up. But I LOVE to drive. I drove from Boston to San Diego and back when I was 19. I drove from Boston to Florida and back more then once. One time I did it, to Ft. Lauderdale, in 27 hours, only stopping for food and bathrooms. I drove from Tampa Bay to Seattle Washington, I've driven from Northern Cali to Arizona and Utah several times. I always wanted to be a truck driver. In my youth I was a maniac! I couldn't keep my license clean. Now that I am older, I have calmed way down and have had a clean driving (and criminal) record for over a decade. I no longer have Mustangs or sports cars. After I got my last ticket in my modded 2013 Mustang GT 5.0, while racing a Ferrari, and it cost me $1000 to get out of it (ticket fix it lawyer) I decided it was time to slow down. I traded it in for a Tacoma and haven't had a problem since.
    I have a friend who is a trucker here. He is at about 2 years now I think. He loves it! Hasn't had any complaints. He drives local. He does do touch freight but enjoys the workout. I am not afraid of hard work. I'm not afraid of change, like most people. I don't really care what I have to do as long as the paycheck is there and I am learning.
     
  7. lual

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    When I first started driving the big rigs--I felt the same way you did about shifting.

    But....after CDL school.....I've always been assigned a tractor that didn't have a shifter.

    Then I got to thinking....those few fleets that still (at the time of this writing) have a fair number of manuals....don't really pay a driver any more to shift. :p

    So.....if the pay is the same.....shifting vs an automatic--then why bother? :D

    "Work smarter--not harder"

    --Lual
     
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  8. Truckingdaytrader

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    Yup... I get it. Shifting is more work. I like the control of manual but I'm sure you are less worn out, after a shift, with an automatic.
     
  9. 2Tap

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    Not that i have much experience to share but one local tanker company here only purchases manuals. The tanker outfit i was hired on with has mostly automatics with a few manuals used to tow stuck vehicles/trailers or run the routes where they expect issues.

    Two niches you certainly have in Northern Cali right that you aren't considering? Dairy and logging?
     
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    I am considering everything... I want to look into logging actually. I know peeps that do dairy... I know nothing about it but I am still exploring all options. Seems like those companies don't advertise much... probably a reason for that.
     
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  11. REO6205

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    Why do you want to do logging? It's a rough way to make a living.
     
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