Setting up a CB antenna in a daycab 2017 Cascadia.

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  1. mike5511

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    Absolutely, and a short braided strap is preferred to a long ground wire.
     
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  3. mike5511

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    Two miles is better than most modern trucks, but horrible compared to what a good set up can do with just a 4 watt radio.
     
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  4. corneileous

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    That’s been almost 15 years ago back in those days so it might’ve been a little more, I just don’t remember. But ya gotta remember, this was on a sleeper truck with just one working 4-foot antenna on the driver side with an unnecessary-long 18-foot coax with the SWR that was set from just the built in meter in the radio itself instead of with an external meter.
     
  5. corneileous

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    Well guys, got my antenna tuned. Was able to achieve a 1.5 SWR on both channel 1 and channel 40 with my 3’ firestick that has an adjustable tip. Not sure what my range is quite yet but at least now I have to turn my squelch up to get rid of the static. Before, didn’t have any.

    bbn
     
  6. Night Stalker10

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    You'll probably be disappointed with your range with a 3 foot antenna. A 4 foot antenna is usually recommended. Of course the longer the antenna the further you should be able to talk.
     
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    Question; why only a 3 footer…… enquiry minds would like to know …..
     
  8. corneileous

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    I know I’d probably be better with a 4-foot antenna but for one, my antenna is using the factory cab-mount that’s been modified- where almost 90 percent of the antenna is above the roofline that can be seen in all directions and two, this is just a day cab tractor pulling an end dump trailer. Plus, I don’t have that goofy air deflector thing up on the roof either as my trailer isn’t even as tall as the truck.

    So, being that my antenna is pretty high up there, I really don’t want to go any higher due to tree limbs- there are some questionable places we have to go from time to time and yes, I have broken a few antennas. If I didn’t have trees to worry about, I’d go longer but is it really necessary?
     
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  9. Night Stalker10

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    Okay, I had a hunch you were working in construction or something similar. A longer antenna isn't really necessary, especially if you're okay with the range that you get with your radio. Before I retired I was a flat bedder hauling pallets for many years. I had to drive on a mile of rough gravel road and cross a busy railroad track several times a day to the shop from the oil highway. My favorite antenna was the hustler fg27s.

    FG27S - Hustler Steel Center Load CB Antenna

    In fact I bought 3 of them, they were only $22 each at the time. I bought the extra one as a spare, and put the second antenna on my bosses truck. He never did say thanks or offer to pay for the antenna.. hmmm. Anyway my antenna broke off after about 8 years of abuse and the other antenna is still on my ex bosses truck. I've always preferred steel antennas over fibreglass.
     
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  10. corneileous

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    So even though my antenna’s mounted up pretty high where it’s at now which is higher than I’ve ever had an antenna mounted before on other trucks while in this rock-hauling business, a 4-foot antenna would still be better and talk further?

    Now, I realize that in most instances of a typical mirror-mount that a 4-foot antenna would be superior over a 3-foot one where the antenna isn’t as high up there but, it’s the length in general, no matter how high the antenna is?

    In other words, if I was to redo my setup and say, find a suitable place on the back of the cab, right in the middle, and put say, a 4 foot or even a 5 foot whip further down which might make it peak just a little higher up or even the same as what I have now, would create better results? I’ve aslo been told that for the best results was to put a regular 4 foot steel whip magnet-mount right in the center of the top of the cab for the best ground plane achievable.

    Of course, I’m only asking. I just got this truck so I will have to range test it and even though it’s probably not at its peak, I still should get more than enough range than what I need. Besides- since me and only a small handful of our crew actually have an interest in having good setups, the rest of our crew, you can’t even really talk to long range anyways because they only seem to be satisfied with how the shop guys install radios in the trucks and they don’t go to the trouble of hooking stuff up right…lol. I highly doubt any of them know about SWRs, proper cable routing, proper cabling, etc…
     
  11. Night Stalker10

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    You are correct on having the antenna as high as you can get it. The professional guys claim you need at least 2/3 of the antenna above tallest point of the vehicle. That's the reason you can probably get away with a 5 to 7 foot long antenna mounted lower, like the back of the sleeper. Some guys have had good results and some not so good by mounting the antenna on the back of the cab. I would encourage you to experiment with the antennas and see what the results are.
    In simple terms, antennas are based on 1/2 wave lengths which is 17 feet for the 27mhz cb band, simple math is 468 divided by 27.205 (ch 20) = 17.2 feet. The thing to remember is that a mobile antenna is only a 1/4 wave antenna. So that means for the antenna to be efficient (efficient is the key word we are looking for), the antenna needs to be 8.5 feet long. That's why the 102 inch antennas work so well, if you have a good RF ground (referred to as ground plane) that makes up the other electrical 1/2 of the antenna system. So the physical 1/4 wave antenna plus the electrical 1/4 wave equals 1/2 wave length. The problem is that a 102 inch antenna isn't very practical on a big truck for obvious reasons. Of course some guys get away with mounting them on the trucks cat walk. So how do you make a 3 or 4 foot antenna act like a 1/4 wave antenna?, well they wind the wire around the fibreglass antenna to make the shorter antenna act like a 102 inch antenna. So you can see that means more windings on the 3 foot antenna versus the 4 foot antenna. The bad part about that is, when you sends lots of RF power to the antenna, the wires wound tight together introduce heat, which is a waste of energy. Not very efficient compared to having an antenna long enough that needs no windings, like the 102 inch antenna. That is why I mentioned using at least a 4 foot antenna, anything shorter doesn't perform very well. Also another rule of thumb is to have the coil mounted towards the top of the antenna, they call that top loaded. Much more efficient design than just wrapping wire around the whole antenna length.
    I wouldn't recommend a magnet mount antenna on top of your truck, mainly if you catch a low tree branch, well obviously that isn't good. The thing about mag mount antennas is that they either work or they don't. I've used them over the years and they are okay if you have no other choice. The big thing is you always need to remove them and wipe the dirt and moisture off the magnet base once in awhile, plus they can leave rings on the paint job over time. So more maintenance required.
     
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