What is good pay? And what’s fair now in trucking?

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  1. Chi Town Steers

    Chi Town Steers Road Train Member

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    My working theory is that safety doesn’t matter at all, only thing that matters is dollars, and none of it makes any sense. Except for the few folks that are profiting at record levels with -the way things are-. I have yet to see a single piece of evidence presented any where that suggests ELDs made the roads safer. Similar for the 14 hour rule.
    I think that if “they” allowed trucking wages to appreciate with inflation, that we would be in civil war. If transportation costs had doubled over the past 15 years or so, true inflation would be showing up in a much bigger way. Milk would be $20 a gallon. Eggs would be $15 a dozen. So on and so forth. I think “they” had a meeting behind closed doors and said we need to rig this part of the game or we might lose control.
     
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  3. Chi Town Steers

    Chi Town Steers Road Train Member

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    I don’t mind working, or being a tool used for corporate profit. But if I’m going to be used as a tool I want to be compensated in a way that is at least fair. I don’t want to go home at the end of the day and ask myself why I worked for free for these ########.
     
  4. bryan21384

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    I think having ELDs is way better and safer. Having paper logs sometimes creates bad habits. There were times where I would cheat the log book just because I hooked up with some girl, took her down lol then tried to drive afterwards. I would do that in the midst of a run in those days. Then I get tired because of that. Now I'd drive those 50 to 100 miles afterwards and go to sleep. Then id fall behind, and have to drive a longer shift to make sure the load got there on time, sometimes I'd drive faster with a wide open truck. Some guys keep pushing, they'd snort the powder, load up on caffeine to a point of having a caffeine overdose, and sometimes that caused crashes. Admittedly, I didn't always take the industry seriously. I didn't manage my time well, but ELDs forces drivers to learn how to do that. Still, drivers have not learned to do that. I think now, more than ever, it takes a very specific driver to operate in this industry. Driver wages I think have gone up compared to popular belief. I was making 29 cpm as a rookie. Lol. I'm making better money now than I did 16 years ago when I started. I just don't think most drivers manage their money that well. The problem is the fact that corporations have too much power to raise prices and they're unwatched. They've got the powers that be in their palms, and us citizens have lost the concept of collective power, too distracted with TikTok.
     
  5. Long FLD

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    The only meeting that decided which way the industry was going to go happened prior to deregulation in 1980.

    The issue many employees face is when they’re living paycheck to paycheck and they decide they need a higher paying job. They increase their wages and their lifestyle creeps up to keep up with their friends and they’re living paycheck to paycheck again.

    Trucking is diverse and so are the people who make up the industry. You can have two guys at the same company and one is comfortable, saving money and contributing to retirement, and the other can’t pay all their bills.
     
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  6. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    When you are deciding about whether to work for a company that is when you have a certain level of control. Once you hire on, you get what you get. Imagine ordering chicken parmigiana at a restaurant and eating it and then complaining it wasn’t vegan enough for you. You made your order, you got your order, you ate your order. You should have picked a vegan meal. It’s not fair to pick an employer that isn’t paying what you want to earn now, and complain the employer is at fault. You wanted to start right away, so you made a choice you knew was not paying well, was not the cream of the crop. When you saw the reality of that choice you chose another employer with no reputation for high pay. I’ve made those kinds of decisions and lived with them or moved on. One side of my family was prosperous and the other half was ,ahem, not prosperous. Non-prosperous people make decisions very very differently than the prosperous. The difference between prosperous and non-prosperous IS NOT just amount in the bank.

    THEY didn’t decide what you will or can earn. You did when you picked what job to take. There are millions of shippers, millions of receivers, and millions of drivers. The pay is determined by each player deciding what they will do, what they will pay, and how much “stuff” they will put up with. What will produce higher pay is a huge increase on the requirements to be a truck driver. The ATA, big shipper/receivers want an unlimited supply of minimally-qualified drivers because it lowers the cost and increases the flexibility they have when doing their job. I’ll guess you would like to have 200 trucking companies in a desperate bidding war to attract you to work for them. There is no King deciding what each job will pay. There are a huge number of individuals deciding what they want and how much they will pay to get it.
     
  7. Chi Town Steers

    Chi Town Steers Road Train Member

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    This is an interesting perspective that I did not have. I guess there must be some truth in that. I’m glad you say prices for wages are increasing. I’ve got to go watch tik tok. There’s a great channel by a blue haired they/them that talks about how great it is to be an influencer. I get all my facts and life lessons from them.
     
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  8. Chi Town Steers

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    I’ll have to look up what meeting that was. Maybe taking the dollar off gold standard and convincing saudis to trade exclusively in dollars?

    I live way below my means personally. Currently my entire monthly expenses including health insurance and food are under $1000. I can’t get it much lower than that, I’ve tried. So I feel like I could make it work almost anywhere. But I value my time. I don’t want to be the greatest truck driver ever, I want to be the happiest and wealthiest truck driver ever.
     
  9. Chi Town Steers

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    I don’t regret getting started sooner rather than waiting. I learned a lot from the experience. Was it rough, yes. But that’s ok I knew it would be rough. I’m not complaining. I’m just making sure I’m not missing something obvious. This current gig is almost salary. Weekly minimum paid out for 45 hours on duty. Zero mileage pay. Plus stay out incentive that bumps pay around 30%. It’s the highest paying job I’ve ever had.
     
  10. Long FLD

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    It’s when the trucking industry was deregulated, opening the doors for anyone who wants operating authority to get it.

    If you value your time I’d look into the LTL route. Or Walmart.
     
  11. rollin coal

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    Keep a clean record for 30 months and you can get on at Walmart. You'll make over a $100k a year at Walmart without even trying. Get home weekly for solid hometime. Get treated with respect. You'll be able to max out your 401K contributions and also buy some discounted company stock to pad your savings/earnings. And retire a millionaire in 30 years (if you're that young). Don't waste your time working for multiple freight hauling companies then 10 or 20 years later realize you just wasted a lot of your career. Stick it out at Western and don't run over anything or get any tickets. Then take a real step up at your next job.
     
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