STOP RUNNING CHEAP FREIGHT!!

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Bret1984, Oct 25, 2024.

  1. JolliRoger

    JolliRoger Road Train Member

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    Tilting the topic but.. I see you are from Berea. What is the word on the 2 car thieves shot in the Walmart parking lot recently. I know the cop whom they backed into trying to run and and he is OK. Good shooting under stress...
     
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  3. larry_minn

    larry_minn Light Load Member

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    Hopefully a quality double tap, no medical aid, or jail, prison time for the car thieves. They felt the car was worth their lives, and the lives of anyone on the streets, parking lot. Children included.
     
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  4. Bret1984

    Bret1984 Medium Load Member

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    They are for the most part. Hard to find any of them under age 50 and I don’t know how they expect to accomplish anything hiding in the woods but if they want to play dress up for their little geezer frat club then more power to them.
     
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  5. TheLoadOut

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  6. NorthEastTrucker

    NorthEastTrucker Heavy Load Member

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    The entire Industry is in a difficult time. A.I. said:
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    In 2020, an FTL (Full Truckload) freight load pay from North Las Vegas to McDonough, GA would have likely been in the range of $1.50 to $3.00 per mile, according to FreightRun.com ..its under the threshold. I'm wondering how low its going to get?
     
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  7. Folk Fries

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    Interesting thread.

    The one thing I didn't see mentioned which everyone bidding spot has a hand in is psychology.

    Too many carriers don't put constant pressure on rates, they get conditioned to scarcity and prebook to avoid losing a day of musical chairs, they get pulled into friendzone relationships that are meant to keep loads from hitting the board, etc

    When the market flips there's always a big chunk late to the party not knowing it started 6 months before.

    Pressure check every spot transaction with valid rebuttals (like multistop, fcfs, high toll areas) and gauge the response.

    99% of every load on the spot market is there for price. Not relationship building.

    The general trend of rates are made in the first and last hour of every day.
     
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  8. Bret1984

    Bret1984 Medium Load Member

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    Response to 3 previous comments: That's what I'm seeing as well. Our issue appears to be oversaturation, too many trucks chasing too little freight. How low it can go is to the point that it becomes entirely unfeasable. If a load doesn't even cover the cost of the fuel to run it then you're pulling it at a significant and obvious loss that's unsustainable even in the short term. The vast majority of the carriers out there simply couldn't afford to do that more than maybe a few times if even that. They're already running on razor thin margins struggling to make payroll each week and one breakdown away from ruin. So once those already razor thin margins are cut down to where they're running at a loss they're toast. It appears that will likely happen. We'll probably see used trucks flooding the market soon as owner ops hang it up and a whole lot more small to mid size carriers close shop. Even the mega fleets are hurting. JB Hunt saw a massive drop in their stock price recently. They're well positioned to weather the storm and have been around long enough this isn't their first rodeo but even they're feeling the pinch right now. A pinch to them unfortunately is a death blow to the small players.
     
  9. LOTSO

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    Did anyone see the video on Mutha Trucker with Cheema CEO. He said the biggest issue now is all those new entrants that paid 6 figures for 1/2-million-mile trucks aren't making payments, and that's how they keep going. The banks won't Repo all these trucks because they're to upside down. Even the banks are "Waiting" for an upturn, hoping these O/O's can start paying again.
     
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  10. larry_minn

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    So I should have waited before buying a new to me truck, trailer 2 months ago? I maybe could have bought newer for similar $$$? But it would have DEF…. NOPE DEAL BREAKER.
     
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  11. Iamoverit

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    It's easy to operate under these low rate conditions when you have no overhead. Most of these guys have zero plans to pay off their loans, pay taxes or any other debts at all. They run it as long as they can before it all catches up to them. When the IRS comes after them or they're unable to get anymore credit they go back to their country. Some bring in family to use their new status and credit to start the process all over again. Coming here from a another country is like hitting the lottery.
     
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