Fifth wheel play

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  1. revzilla

    revzilla Bobtail Member

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    When I’m getting loaded with lumber the trailer is leaning. There is 2 12 ft bundles on one side and loader put pressure on it to show how bad it can get but don’t think there should be this much play on the fifth wheel? It sits flat when loaded evenly or just one bundle of lumber. How would I know whether fifth wheel needs replaced or could the kingpin plate on trailer be getting thin?
     

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  3. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    Judging from those high quality pics,

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  4. JB7

    JB7 Heavy Load Member

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    Separate the tractor from the trailer. There should be pins/bushings in the circled area. Use a bar from the back or side to check for play.
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    If you don't see a problem there then check the suspension.
     
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  5. revzilla

    revzilla Bobtail Member

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    ok thanks for the info, sorry not sure how bad pics are. Had to take screen shot on mobile. Most of the movement seems to be coming from the actual kingpin area. I’m worried locking jaws may be worn on fifth wheel because of the gap between the trailer and fifth wheel plate. The fifth wheel plate itself doesn’t have much movement. My trailer airbags are a little higher than they probably should be but the trailer rocking does seem to come from the front of trailer
     
  6. Diesel Dave

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    If you’re worried about it leaning, drop the landing gear, once the other side gets loaded, raise it back up.
     
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  7. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    Could be a worn out kingpin too.
     
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  8. JB7

    JB7 Heavy Load Member

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    The play in the 5th wheel jaws can be checked. See pic. There is also an adjustment to compensate for wear. There are also kingpin gauges. Unlikely though that either of these would be related to the gap you show in pic.

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  9. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    I've never seen a trailer sit perfectly flush and tight to the top the plate when being forced to one side or the other. I think this is normal. It is the side to side, front to back play that is important between the pin and plate and jaws, not up and down. You do need some up and down play to allow for give when going over uneven surfaces side to side. Sometimes when we do quick grease jobs, we lower the landing gear, then drop the air suspension on the truck. This always forms a small gap between the plate and trailer large enough to get a grease gun hose in there to grease the 5th wheel plate without disconnecting the trailer.
     
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  10. revzilla

    revzilla Bobtail Member

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    Took trailer off and inspected fifth wheel. Kingpin had a lot of wear on back of it and notch was 1.85” diameter and fifth wheel top plate was kind of wallered and locking bar teeth needed rebuilt and had been adjusted as tight as possible so replaced it. Hopefully it actually needed it ha only noticed a problem with it when loading lumber but it was beyond a grease gun fitting in there had to be near an inch gap
     
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