Do you run illegal on your logs?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by LogsRus, Mar 28, 2007.

Do you log a 10 hour break but only stop for 8 hours or close to it?

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    Yes I stop for my full 10, I don't want handcuffs on me

    60.6%
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    I only stop for 8 but I log a 10 hour break

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    I stop for less than 7 hours most of the time

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    I do whatever I feel my body can handle @ the time

    27.1%
  1. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Good deal! At least you learned your lesson without harm coming your way :).
    I hope that for all drivers, unfortunately you always have the one's that keep pushing until bad happens. Just like a drunk driver or a bank robber. They keep doing it until they get busted enough, then sometimes they do not learn :(.

    I am happy you are team now and learned the easy/hard way.
    Good luck to you and always remember that story and don't let anyone put you in the situation to go 10 minutes over the HOS! DOT does help protect you as well! :biggrin_2551: :biggrin_25512: :yes2557: That is a messed up comment, but somewhat true:yes2557:
     
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  3. CommDriver

    CommDriver Road Train Member

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    Not everybody lives in areas that have good local freight. Where I live, most of the local jobs pay $10-12 an hour with a lot of stops and unloading. There are some good local jobs but it's a matter of knowing the right people or applying at the right time.
     
  4. Cerberus101

    Cerberus101 Heavy Load Member

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    explain legal ? what do you really mean ? is it by DOT standards ? or is it to company computer standards ? today (friday) was the first "legal" day in 9 days. but if DOT looks at the logs they are clean and neat and legal as can be. the company on the other hand is.......well we just won't talk about that....................
     
  5. Gazoo

    Gazoo Resident Mental Patient

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    Well, this is my first post and it is a topic close to my heart, mainly cause it is the one that causes me the most stress. My companies stand on Logs is this:

    Log book must match, Qualcomm and trip sheet.

    They want us to run legal. HOWEVER, dispatcher/terminal manager tells us to log only our paid miles....WTF!!:biggrin_25516:
    Now, personally, I want to run 100% legal. I can really enjoy my time out on the road without the stress of added expenses and risk of incarceration.
    Basically, to try and keep everyone happy, I make sure my book is accurate to my current duty status when I am behind the wheel. When I stop, I multiply my miles by 62mph and figure out my drive time. I mostly do interstate so this is not that difficult. Now, this does come back to hurt me sometimes because I can legally avg 64-67 MPH on some legs of a trip. When and if I get my own truck and own authority it will be 100% BY THE BOOK and my logs will be done with 100% accuracy 100% of the time. If this means that I may not maximize my profits, then tough shiat.
     
  6. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Medium Load Member

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    Sounds like a good conversation to record. He/She doesn't need to be telling drivers to do this.
     
  7. Gazoo

    Gazoo Resident Mental Patient

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    Yeah, especially when paid miles = Rand McNally miles.:biggrin_25513:
     
  8. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Medium Load Member

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    Many drivers (that I have talked to) do log paid miles. When I last drove, I logged paid miles, and actually would shave a few miles off of that on occasion. And it was, and is, illegal.

    If someone is going to do this, it needs to be their own personal preference, not at the order of a dispatcher, because the responsibility doesn't fall on anybody but the driver if he/she gets caught.

    I am planning on going back out on the road after a little over 3 years at home sometime in May or possibly June. When I do go out, I keep telling myself I am going to log it exactly like I run it, and that I am going to run it legal. Now, whether I actually manage to do this once I get out there is another story, because I have never, in my life, ran a squeaky clean log book. I wasn't an "outlaw" by any means (at least I don't think so), but I ran it in a way that made things easier on me.
     
  9. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    You can do it! You can do it! YES YOU CAN:yes2557: :biggrin_25519: :biggrin_25512:

    Good luck either way
     
  10. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Cerberus: The worst driver’s logs in the world sometimes pass DOT on the road:biggrin_2556: When they come into the company and audit, you better come out squeaky clean or if you are in an Major accident. When DOT comes in the office and finds violations they can mail you a friendly letter saying you owe them $1,000.00 (less or more?) and the company could be shut down. I see them to do this in near future to make some points. I can't say for sure but I can see this happening so drivers get the point you must log legal. Inside the company the auditor has many more documents to view.

    Plus the next officer might take it further and bust you. Save the dollars in fines cause they are looking allot closer @ the logs on the road. I believe we discussed this once before hmmm.

    I am just telling you guys/gals this to save money in fines and to keep you free so you can talk to me here:biggrin_2559:

    Have a great night and umm you should be in Indy today? Lovely weather huh:biggrin_25511:
     
  11. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    My opinion is you should not log paid miles and you should record your conversations or type it over the qualcom. Do not be too obvious in what you are doing they can usually tell what's up. Once you get the information you need to prove who is making you log illegal send a letter to the Federal DOT and they WILL come and do an audit. Understand they will audit your logs in return (usually to see if you are logging legal and being a legit complainer, not just mad at your dispatcher).

    See now when DOT audits your logs on the road they will do a point to point.
    Let’s say I am going from Indianapolis to Chicago and at the posted speed limit it takes 4 hours to get there, but you logged it @ 62 your log would probably show 3 hours driving. The minimum it can take is 4. YOU would get a ticket for false log speeding.

    Now the worse thing to happen is you get in an accident and bad things happen. DOT & Attorneys will be matching your logs to the qualcom the very next day after the accident (if not that day) and if your dispatcher forced you to run illegal he/she might go to jail and guess who else goes? Yes, you because you are not supposed to run illegal either.

    That's the worse case scenario. The best scenario is you don't have an accident and you get the lazy officers that do not check your log book so closely.

    Ok I have done my preaching for now. This is just advice to protect you and for me to know I tried to help you. It is your prerogative to do what you want, but I want you to know what can happen if you keep doing what you are.


    Have you talked to your safety director? Sometimes the dispatchers are doing this without the company knowing it for the bonus they probably get
     
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