Exposing log book tricks

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by jlkklj777, Jan 1, 2008.

  1. 123456

    123456 Road Train Member

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    I thought that about 20 years ago myself.

    Samo, samo.............

    Nothing really new, lets see what this csa2010 brings to the table.

    Perhaps eventually, it may help the driver................
     
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  3. angry_trucker

    angry_trucker Light Load Member

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    The HOS rules are not about safety, they are about generating revenue for the state/province....

    Personally i feel, that we dont need bunch of useless government 9 to 5 pencil pushing idiots dictating, when we should drive and when we should sleep just to justify their salary and existence.

    As far as i'm concerned, there is no need for logboks...you should be able to drive when you're not tired and sleep when you are....
    Anybody trying to tell you different has an agenda, dosent have your best interest in mind and dosen't have the motoring publics safety in mind either....

    The DOT at the scale should focus their time and energy into making sure, that the equipment going down the road is mechanically safe and i have no problem with that....
    They should stop harrasing those who are actually trying to work for a living with their idiotic HOS regulations ....

    It all comes down to personal responsibility....if you too tired to drive you shouldn't be on the road.....if your boss or the shipper/reciever disagrees they can all go ###### themselves....you are the one in charge of the truck and the load...

    If you chose to be on the road when you shouldn't and end up causing an accident, then you should be held accountable....
     
  4. chompi

    chompi Road Train Member

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    Hey Airlineguy, the HOS rules actually protected truckers when they first put them in effect. Companies would run the hell out of drivers without a care in the world if they had slept in a week or not. The HOS rules helped put the brakes on companies forcing drivers to do this. Back in the day you either had to run or they would find someone that would. Today it is a little more restrictive then it should be and keep in mind that its desk jockey bureaucrats who are making the rules now and have no clue what it is really like out there and what drivers have to accomplish under the strict guidelines to make a dime! For instance when I first started team drivers were allowed to run 5 on and 5 off. This was so perfect because no one can sit in that sleeper for 10hrs straight and are not allowed to sit in the passenger seat unless on duty. Laying in the back of that sleeper for 10 hrs straight actually makes it worse. You are just bouncing around back there instead of getting good rest.
     
  5. Thumper

    Thumper Medium Load Member

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    Good list :biggrin_2554: not sure about more then 1 log nowadays looseleaf all the way.bk on the
    Old 8/10 rule I know guys that run three cough cough, not hard unless you hand over the wrong one
    When inspected
     
  6. Rocky64

    Rocky64 Medium Load Member

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    I'm all for cheating and getting away with it... I just want to say THANKS to all those that got caught. Now we have too many regulations as govt reaction cause you killed a family in the course of getting caught. You're never gonna get it. You are half to blame for all the new regs. Until you can admit that too many bystanders have been killed, then you will keep crying that your a victim of said regs. What do you expect a policy maker to do? Sit back and just watch families get killed and do nothing? HALF of these regs are the direct result of idiots "cheating" with disasterous outcomes. Direct some of your frustrations at those cheaters in the name of accuracy.
     
  7. jlkklj777

    jlkklj777 20 Year Truckload Veteran

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    Well actually if you have been following the recent accident statistic reports passenger cars are responsible for the vast majority of truck/auto accidents NOT the truck driver.

    You have bought into the BS argument perpetuated by the lawyers out there that an accident involving a CMV MUST be the drivers fault and they will go out of their way to find a way to blame the truck driver until the driver can PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt he was in fact innocent.
     
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  8. Rocky64

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    I wrote "HALF". As in half responsible. I have bought in to the fact that families HAVE BEEN KILLED, while you believe that every trucker that ever drove is innocent. I am well aware we have the cards stacked against us, and innocent drivers get punished, and it sucks. But, your position that YOU describe is disgusting. Until you accept the fact that some of these laws were required, just to slow down the death rate, then you are guilt of perpetuating a position, an idea, a paradigm that is flawed and infectious with the very bile that infects log book cheaters who have killed innocent people.
     
  9. jlkklj777

    jlkklj777 20 Year Truckload Veteran

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    Until we can get some sensible legislators into a position to get rid of the trial lawyers influence and take a hard look at the current HOS regs there will be conflicts. Here are a couple of problems I see with the current regs;

    First, not being able to stop the 14 hour "clock" to take a nap, wait out a traffic jam, or even stop for a lunch break without it impinging upon your "work day" is patently ludicrous.

    Secondly, the legislators have reduced the flexibility once afforded to truck drivers to utilize a split sleeper berth option. Under the old rules we were able to split an 8 hour break into 2 parts, neither period being less than 2 hours but when combined must equal 8 hours total. For those of you having difficulty understanding that last statement here is an illustration of the concept; 6/2, 5/3, 4/4 were all perfectly legal and worked for several decades without issue.

    Thirdly, compelling team drivers to do a 10 hour shift and then a consecutive 10 hour break in the sleeper berth to "comply" with the current regs is again patently ludicrous and was obviously written by individuals that have never driven a truck let alone driven as a team operation.

    These regs fly in the face of "safety" and are designed as revenue generators for the states.

    Are there drives who have flouted the regs in an attempt to make more money for themselves? Absolutely. More often times than not the drivers are doing the best job they can to satisfy the customers demands for on time pickups/deliveries. In the current economic climate reputation and on time service are in demand. Carriers unable to comply with time schedules soon lose contracts to their competitors.


    One of the illustrations used while I was in school (and probably heard many times over the years by most of you drivers) is the story of a drunk/sleepy motorist driving home after work/drinking and crossing over the median to crash into a truck traveling in the opposite direction. The motorist is killed on impact and the truck driver goes to jail because there was a mistake/falsification in his log book.

    Until scenarios such as the one above are addressed truck drivers will be getting short shrift.

    Remember, once you opt to become a CMV driver you become a second class citizen. You are mandated by law to have random drug and alcohol tests by your employers and road side LEO's. Your time is NOT your own. You WILL acount for every minute of every day while you are working (or not working) to comply with the HOS regs. You will be considered "guilty" of all traffic violations or accusations by enforcement agencies as well as the general motoring public that calls a carriers safety department complaining about a truck that slowed them down, cut them off, encroached on their "right of way," kicked a rock up onto their windshield, ran them off the road, etc.

    How about we get some "common sense" put back into the regs instead of trying to force every type of trucking operation into 1 set of regs?
     
  10. Eagle_Eye

    Eagle_Eye Medium Load Member

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    Best thijng Drivers could do is:

    Run 64 MPH Log and run legal. If we all did this companys would go crazy trying to figure a way to make these impossible appointments they make.
     
  11. angry_trucker

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    I wonder how many people have died as a result of the HOS telling drivers when they are supposed to be tired and when they're not....
    If drivers cant stop the 14 hour clock to take a nap, they tend to push themselves, when they really should be getting their rest...
    The idiot legislators should be jailed and/or sued en masse for trying to stick their corrupt, underworked and overpaid government noses into something they know nothing about....
     
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