DOT, MC Confusion

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Independent51, Jan 5, 2012.

  1. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    Yes, you need a DOT and MC # even with a daily rental if used commercially traveling across state lines. Non-commercial rentals 2 axles, 26,001 lbs or less don't.

    Here's a FAQ answer from the FMSCA regarding exempted vehicles:

    That shows you are not exempt since you are commercial.


    The driver of the vehicle since it's over 10,001 lbs needs to carry a DOT medical card.

    The driver does not need a CDL and is exempt from the CDL program if operating a truck under 26,001 lbs.

    When you get the vehicle, write clearly on a piece of paper with a marker, your Company name. DOT#, MC# and I would put *Not for Hire* on it.

    Duct tape one to each side on the doors or bunk doors. Laminate each paper or cover with clear packing tape to protect it from the elements.

    You can use acetone or fingernal polish remover to get the tape glue off if it's a short rental. A blow dryer/heat gun helps.

    Make sure you aren't overloaded and your load is secure and you won't have any problems.
     
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  3. pacnorwestdriver

    pacnorwestdriver Light Load Member

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    Nautical miles? I thought it was air miles.
     
  4. Nashville Driver

    Nashville Driver Medium Load Member

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    Nautical Miles

    • A nautical mile measures the same as an air mile, 6,076 feet, or 2,025.3 yards. Though they are the same measurement, nautical miles are used for aquatic travel, and air miles are used only for air travel. A nautical mile can also be referred to a as sea mile.


     
  5. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    This is the best response here . What may have confused some is he said it is a "non-CDL rental " . That is vague . A vehicle over 10,000lbs. GVWR but not over 26,000 lbs. GVWR does not require a CDL but is a CMV and requires a medical card as well as possibly logging .
    Anyone starting as a carrier must have a driver file for themselves with all required . http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=391.51
    The company also must participate in a random drug test pool . There's a lot more to having authority than jumping in a truck and hauling freight . You must have authority if the cargo is not your personal property .
     
  6. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    I've never seen U-hauls larger than pickup chassis cross scales and never seen one chased down for not stopping at a scale . Please post the verifying regulation from the TN DOT .
    Each state has different requirements on which trucks have to cross scales . They usually have signs before the scales stating which trucks must enter .
     
  7. Nashville Driver

    Nashville Driver Medium Load Member

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    RickG,

    I could not find anything online, thats why I asked someone at the department of safety.........I was hard pressed to give up that $50, as like you.... I have never seen either. I assume they do not actively enforce the rules, but having a commercial license, I will be stopping in the future. I thought my neighbor was confusing the Florida border's agricultural inspection stations, and not the actual scales.

    All I saw online was this link from a 3rd party, which matches what they told me:
    http://www.coopsareopen.com/tennessee-weigh-stations.html
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2012
  8. Independent51

    Independent51 Bobtail Member

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    "There's a lot more to having authority than jumping in a truck and hauling freight . You must have authority if the cargo is not your personal property"

    Agree 100%.

    That's why I called the FMCSA. I wanted the information straight from the regulating source. BUT, they would rather refer you to the website than actually discuss anything. I was rather bummed out about that. The questions I initially put to them they answered correctly but still told me to ask Penske, it was like they had doubts about the information THEY were giving to me. I'm the kind of guy that if I'm being told something has to be done I like to ask why? I can't get that from a website where I can't speak to a live person (FMCSA website). Penske was full of crap. The information they gave me was wrong. I'm making sure all my ducks are in a row. Got the DOT medical card and drug test, all good. I'm making sure I have all the necessary authorities, log books, paperwork required, truck insurance, cargo insurance and all.

    I used the FMSCA online registration assistant and and printed off what it stated I need;

    Forms/Processes
    MCS-150 (USDOT Number)
    OP-1 (Motor Property Carrier and Broker Authority, $300.00 Per authority)
    BOC-3 (Designate Process Agent)
    Arrange for Insurance

    Safety Audit Checklist:
    List of drivers used in the past 365 days including date of hire, date of termination, CDL state and license number and date of birth.
    Driver qualification files
    Controlled substance testing records for the past 365 days, results and summaries
    Driver payroll records
    Driver records of duty status(logs, time records, etc) for the past 6 months.
    Driver trip reports and expense records for the past 6 months, including scale and fuel receipts (Comdata, EFS) and all associated documents.
    Motor vehicle accident files for the past 12 months.
    List of equipment (company #, license #, state, year, make, GVWR)
    Lease agreements and associated maintenance records if applicable
    Vehicle Maintenance records
    Driver vehicle inspection reports for the last 90 days (DVIRs)
    All roadside inspections for the past 365 days.
    Company gross revenue for the last full year. -- Why do they need this? Not a safety issue.
    Total fleet mileage for the last year.
    A copy of your MCS-90, endorsement for motor carrier policies of insurance for the current policy.
    Insurance claim information for the past 365 days.

    Question about Insurance. I'm pretty certain I read if you don't have Insurance in full effect for a whole year they will cancel your authority. Is this correct?
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2012
  9. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    You're right. The website confirms what you stated . I just can't understand why they don't enforce those rules . They are all over hotshotters but if they pulled U-Hauls around for inspection they'd put most of them OOS
     
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