SDP Cat injector leaking?

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  1. kklogger

    kklogger Bobtail Member

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    550 SDP Cat in a 2010 Pete. If I start the truck during the day when engine is hot,the starter stalls like trying to start truck in gear.Turn key off try again,the truck starts but as it starts it makes a rhythmic knocking sound 3-4 times and then runs.Resets the trip odometer,dash clock,radio clock etc.I changed starter and am going to get rid of battery disconnect under cab and solder the connections.Also the truck quit a couple of times,once at 55mph,just sputtered and died.I'm due for a valve set and want to do a cylinder cutout test see if any holes sound different, and change that injector while I'm in there.Starts fine when engine is cold but if it sits for a few days starts rough like I just changed the fuel filters.Sorry for rambling but I'm tired of chasing ghosts.I wish it would explode so I can fix it, hopefully under warranty.Any ideas?
     
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  3. Gold Diesel

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    When the engine fires into life after it 'stalls' does it blow white smoke initially from exhaust? And can you smell unburnt diesel? This is a good sign of an injector tip leaking. The knock could be an amount of fuel trying to be compressed and burnt whilst this is happening.

    If you find a weak hole you may be lucky to of found your leaking tip. However as a leak is a mechanical issue with the injector tip, it could be unrelated. Other means will have to be used to find the faulty tip.

    The only other question to ask is whether you are using/loosing coolant, as this may be another cause.

    To reset instruments after this happens will not be from a faulty injector, and sounds like another truck electrical problem to me.

    If the engine quits/splutters under load I would be looking at the fuel suction system. If you can place clear fuel lines before and after the primary filter you may be able to find a source of air entry. Or if you are able to connect a fuel gauge and check pressures when problem occurs. I would expect to see an erratic reading.

    Hard or rough starting could be as a result of losing fuel system prime. Try replacing fuel valve under secondary filter base on engine. 1" wrench will undo this, and valve can be replaced quite cheaply.

    Start with this and see how you go, good luck!
     
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  4. kklogger

    kklogger Bobtail Member

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    I can pull the exhaust off the turbo and see if there's any smoke,but then I don't know which hole it is from
    I wanted to take the manifold off and see if any holes puff smoke but by the time I do that the engine is cold and it won't do it.
    No coolant loss as I do oil samples every oil change,nothing.
    I got rid of the plastic battery disconnect switch and crimped and soldered the cables together,found some evidence of arcing on one of the posts.
    The truck seems to start a bit better so on that part I'm hopeful.
    I will try the truck out tomorrow and then maybe change the fuel valve in the filter base.
    Thanks for your suggestions ,I'll see how tomorrow goes.
     
  5. Duramaxxed

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    If it smokes white, it could be a lower injector o-ring burnt / broken. I've seen injector o-rings get cut during install lock up an engine. The o-ring would cause it to start hard after sitting as the head loses its fuel. It would also cause the hydrolocking of the cylinder. Also, w/ a 2010 Cat engine, there is more then one fuel valve in the base assuming you're talking about the regulators. One low pressure and one high pressure.
     
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  6. kklogger

    kklogger Bobtail Member

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    The truck started much better today, it didn't reset anything at all today.
    It still knocks on startup pretty much every time, but I think the starter has the extra juice to overcome the engine compression.
    I have been adding about 3/4 gal of water per month,but the oil samples don't show any water in the oil.
    Would a cut o-ring allow water into the hole?
    I think a cylinder cutout test might give me a little bit more info.
    The truck is two faced,one minute it pulls hard the next its a slug.
    The engine still has warranty but as far as Cat is concerned nothing has failed yet so anything I do to try fix the problem is on my tab,until I find something faulty.
    I don't want to be two weeks past warranty and have major repair bills over something I can fix now.
    Any ideas much appreciated.
     
  7. Duramaxxed

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    A cut or burnt o-ring on an injector would not allow coolant into the engine, just fuel. If you had an injector cup leaking into a cylinder, that would cause it to knock upon starting but you would notice a sweet smell to the exhaust, possibly compression in the cooling system and when the unit sat you would get some coolant in the oil showing up on the oil sample. I really do doubt that's your issue though.
     
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  8. kklogger

    kklogger Bobtail Member

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    Third day at work and still hasn't reset anything.
    I guess the plastic night switch was haywire, not giving enough juice to the starter to overcome the "hydrauliking"
    Still knocks on startup but that I can live with until something lets loose,then hopefully warranty will cover the failure.
    Thanks for the helpful tips.
     
  9. DDS

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    I don't know what Cat dealer you are dealing with out there, but there should be no problem for the dealer to investigate and repair this problem before a major failure happens. (bending a rod and sending it through the sid eof the block, have seen it happen) I would contact your Cat rep and make arrangments to get this unit repaired. Over here, if a customer drives a truck to destruction, Cat my not cover the repair.
     
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  10. kklogger

    kklogger Bobtail Member

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    The local truck repair shop is authorized to do Cat work.
    Since there isn't a failure yet, warranty won't cover the search for the problem.
    That's what I was told last.
     
  11. Jas

    Jas Medium Load Member

    Find a better shop, if you're putting 3/4gal of water in a month and there are no external leaks there is already a failure, they need to find out what is causing the coolant loss, if it knocks on hot starts I'd say that'd be the first place to look for the missing coolant.
     
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