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CSA and crashes

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by KANSAS TRANSIT, May 13, 2012.

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  1. May 13, 2012 #1
    KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    SOOO, if one of your trucks is involved in a crash, that was in NO WAY his fault AND the other driver WAS ticketed,,,,,,,,


    IT STILL COUNTS AGAINST "YOUR" CSA score??????? and there is NOTHING that you can do about it.


    WTF
     
    KANSAS TRANSIT, May 13, 2012
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  3. May 13, 2012 #2
    Pedigreed Bulldog

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    Yup. You could be sitting at a red light and be hit in the rear by a driver drunk 3 times over the legal limit running 120 mph on a 30 mph road.....


    ....and it still counts against you.


    That is one of MANY flaws with the CSA score.
     
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  4. May 13, 2012 #3
    Cat sdp

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    How can I check my personal csa score ?
     
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  5. May 13, 2012 #4
    KANSAS TRANSIT

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    Pretty much what has happened PB, I now have three cashes on my CSA score that have put me over the threshold,

    First one was a driver that did exactly as I had instructed, delivery was on a busy four lane street with a center turn lane, we are always stretched out 75'

    Driveway has a gate opening that is right at 10' wide, so you HAVE to hit it straight on.

    Driver pulls in the turn lane and waits for all traffic behind him to get by, as he is making his turn to enter said drive a little old lady come out of a drive on the other side of the street and runs into his front wheel.

    Cop gave us a ticket, no one hurt but of course that went against our score.

    Second one is all on us, driver pulling out of dirt drive onto a narrow two lane road, has to get tractor wheels in the grass on the other side of the road to clear trailer tail swing out of gate.

    Gets drives stuck before can get trailer clear of that lane, puts on flashers and sets out reflectors, several cars go around the end of our trailer that is still two feet in the lane.

    Car coming down the road, driver on cell phone runs right into the side of our trailer, luckily no one hurt, as I said OUR fault for blocking lane, I get that.

    A month ago we have one of our drivers running across I-90 in upstate NY, snowing, icy.

    My driver sees cars spinning up ahead, traffic slows down, he is down to about 30mph with plenty of room between him and the next closest car, semi runs square into back of us at about 50 mph.

    Other companies driver was 78 years old and said he just wasn't paying attention, he gets a ticket and his truck is towed off. We have trailer damage but are able to secure it well enough to get it home.

    THIS accident puts me over our threshold and I get a nasty letter from DOT and my insurance company. The first accident drops off in August, HOPE to hell we can stay out of everybody's way till then.
     
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  7. May 13, 2012 #5
    Roadmedic

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    You had three and you are a small operation.

    Ever wonder what a Swift or Schneider is going to do?
     
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  8. May 13, 2012 #6
    Tazz

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    1. How will the proposed Safety Fitness Determination (SFD) handle reportable crashes? Answer
    2. In the short-term, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's proposed rule on SFD will propose that a motor carrier's formal safety rating (i.e., the replacement for the traditional Unsatisfactory, Conditional, or Satisfactory rating process) would be adversely affected by crashes only when the motor carrier is at least partly at fault. These are known as “preventable accidents.” A Safety Investigator would determine which crashes are preventable.
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    What is included in the Summary of Activities?

    The Summary of Activities presents the number of roadside inspections and crashes that have occurred during the 24-month timeframe that is used to calculate the Safety Measurement System (SMS) results for the motor carrier.
    The Total Inspections count consists of all roadside inspections (Levels I through VI).
    The Vehicle Inspection count consists of all Level I, II, V, and VI inspections. The vehicle out-of-service (OOS) rate is calculated as the number of vehicle inspections with at least one vehicle OOS violation divided by the total number of vehicle inspections.
    The Driver Inspection count consists of all Level I, II, III, and VI inspections. The driver OOS rate is calculated as the number of driver inspections with at least one driver OOS violation divided by the total number of driver inspections.
    The Hazardous Materials (HM) Inspection count consists of all Level I through VI inspections where hazardous material is present. The HM OOS rate is calculated as the number of HM inspections with at least one HM OOS violation divided by the total number of HM inspections.
    The Total Crashes count consists of all FMCSA-reportable crashes. The number of crashes that required at least one vehicle to be towed from the scene due to disabling damage is presented, as well as the number of crashes that resulted in an injury or fatality to a person involved in the crash.



    Yes a record of all reportable accidents is kept. They always have been, hence the term reportable.

    It has nothing to do with a Carriers SMS or BASICs percentile ranking unless defects are noted in an inspection report. The only effect can come is if an investigation finds the carrier at least partially at fault.
     
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  9. May 13, 2012 #7
    KANSAS TRANSIT

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    Yeah, and before this for almost ten years,,,, nothing. I guess the law of averages just caught up with me at the wrong time.

    As I said this will be over a two year period come August. Just glad no one was seriously injured, my driver that was rear ended in NY is still in physical therapy and on WC, (he had back problems before this) but he should be back in a couple of weeks.
     
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  10. May 13, 2012 #8
    KANSAS TRANSIT

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    Sorry Tazz, but our crash rating jumped from somewhere in the 60% range to 85% because of this last accident, I even had our safety gal check into it.

    There was NOTHING written up on us, no ticket, no faulty inspection, lights on the back of the trailer still worked AFTER the crash.
     
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  11. May 13, 2012 #9
    KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    I would imagine that Swift and Schneider are in their own peer group of BIG carriers and as long as they are in line with the rating of those large carriers, nothing will happen.

    Just my guess, since we are a very small company we are probably ranked(if I am understanding it correctly) with other small carriers, probably double O's with as few as one or two trucks, so we "may" be at the top of our peer group, I just don't know I haven't seen a breakdown on it.
     
    KANSAS TRANSIT, May 13, 2012
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  12. May 13, 2012 #10
    Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Okie Dokie. I would say being involved in three reportable accidents in two years would have warranted a look into your operation. I have no idea what your score was prior to and after your last accident as it is not publicly available, I can just go by the facts I posted.

    Your fitness rating will not be changed until a determination of fault is found.

    All DOT reportable accidents have always been tracked for use in triggering an audit. It is an unchanged aspect from SAFER to CSA.
     
    Tazz, May 13, 2012
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