Teaming Logging

you are required to show at least 15 minutes everydy as vehicle inspection. You can do your time deduction at any point during the day and it can be combined with fueling. You must flag a pretrip and a posttrip every driving shift.

 

We log 15 minutes for pre-trip every shift and do a post-trip vehicle inspection report after every shift, but the post-trip is not logged on the HOS.

 

I re-read the rule and only see where you are required to do a pre-trip inspection before the start of each driving day. That is pre-trip the truck. If one of you does it then both don't have to but the rule is not specific on what "each driving day" is.

 

That is what I also think but a dot cop might think that each driving day is when each driver drives not the truck moving down the road.

 

You need to each show a pre-trip one time in a 24 hour logging period. I usually combine this time with a fuel stop or delivery or pick-up. Must show 15 min. "On Duty" and flag or write pre-trip.

 

we eack log line 4 15min pretrip when each of us start r day and flag post-trip when we finish

so most day's when she starts she does a pre-trip (line 4 15min) then drivers when it's time to change (most of the time at fuel stops) she will flag post-trip walk around, i log line 4 15min 2 fuel and pre-trip

dot is happy, logs is happy, and safety is happy....

 

Yes, you both must show a pretrip & post trip. You can walk around the truck together to do your pretrip as she's doing her post trip....but you cannot drive until you are satisfied that the parts & accessories listed in §392.7 are in good working order...and neither can she.

At the end of your shift, §396.11 requires that you complete the written daily vehicle inspection report, which in order to complete you need to check the condition of the components covered by the report.

The tricky part comes in if you flag a pretrip and show time for a post trip...the flagged pretrip must happen at the end of your co-driver's post trip because §396.13 requires you to review the last driver's vehicle inspection report to verify that any defects have been corrected as part of your pretrip. You cannot do that unless they have completed their post trip and filled out the daily vehicle inspection report.

 

You are "required" to show the length of time the inspection actually takes. Generally speaking, you should be able to complete it (both pre & post trip cumulatively) in 15 minutes...but if it takes longer, you should log more time. 5-7 minutes for a pretrip, 7-10 minutes for a post trip...15 minutes of time shown.

Your company may not know the law either...you'd be better off reading the little green book and finding out firsthand what the law actually says, instead of relying upon others to give you their own interpretation of the law. You seem to assume the person at the company has read the regulations....but that doesn't mean they have actually read them. They may just give you the interpretation that somebody else told them...never having checked the regs to read for themselves what is actually required.

I used to do the same...until the 14 hour rule came into existence. Since you cannot drive after the 14th hour, those 15 minutes shown inspecting your vehicle at the start of the day might make the difference between arriving at your destination at the 14th hour or coming up 15 minutes short of getting where you want to go. You can legally exceed the 14th hour on line 4 to show the post trip if you need to.

Pretrip is required by EVERY driver before the vehicle is driven...you must be satisfied that the vehicle condition is in good working order, and is safe to be driven. (§392.7 & §396.13).

Post trip is required by EVERY driver, and a daily vehicle inspection report completed at the END of every day's work. (§396.11)

No, you need to show a pretrip at the start of each work day...and a post trip at the end of each work day. If you start work at 1AM, you need to show/flag a pretrip. If you stop working at noon, you would flag/show a post trip and complete the DVIR. If you come back to work at 11PM (after completing a 10 hour break) to start your next shift, you would again need to show/flag a pretrip before you could drive...it is the beginning of a new work day.

Remember, before you drive the vehicle, you must be satisfied that it is in good working order and safe to be driven. If you wait until an hour or two into your day when you are fueling up or sitting at the dock loading or unloading, you did not verify that the truck was in good working order BEFORE you drove the vehicle. The pretrip is just that...BEFORE you start driving for the day. A post trip is the same....AFTER you complete the day's driving.