Cat injectors

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by morehp, Nov 13, 2012.

  1. morehp

    morehp Medium Load Member

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    Neil you have the electronic and IT side of things coverd if i have anything to do with it!
    Stand back and watch this buisness grow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    someone might have to feel the FORCE:biggrin_2559:
     
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  3. morepwr

    morepwr Bobtail Member

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    Hahahahah
    WELL THE TRUE MAN HIMSELF HAS SPOKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!:biggrin_2559:
     
  4. Mr. Haney

    Mr. Haney Road Train Member

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    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    First and foremost Greg would build as many injectors as I want for anyone willing to provide the proper cores. The price depends on the amount of work and parts it takes to rebuild the injector for you..........the customer. I've done this only twice for people. One is a member on this board that went through roughly 36 injectors from CAT in a little over a year in one engine.

    Second.........I'm the one that is being pickier about the part numbers used for the cores than Greg is. Why? Because I get very tired of listening to people complain. So I believe in using the best part numbers for the best possible results and the fact I want those results to last for a long time. This way you have an injector returned to you that is the best it can be and I won't spend hours on the phone telling people that the problem isn't caused by the injector. Yes, you can use 191-3003 injectors for Greg to build a set. But when they have a steel plunger versus a steel plunger with a tungsten coating, you sacrifice longevity of the injector. I had someone call me awhile ago, they bought New Old Stock injectors from a CAT dealer. They paid $275 each for these brand new OLD STOCK injectors. They installed these injectors in the summer months. They ran local and bought their fuel from a local farm coop. They were buying a blend of 20% BioDiesel. Once the weather turned cold..........would anybody like to guess what happened to these injectors. 3 of them failed in less than a week when his fuel source changed the fuel blend to straight diesel. Now why did they fail? Good question..............the plungers scored the barrel and stuck. Why? It is called lack of lubrication. The part number injectors were never built to use Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel Fuel. I told Greg about this story, but didn't remember it correctly until I sat here typing this. If I sell you the service of Greg rebuilding an injector for you.............I don't want to hear from you later blaming an injector failure on Greg''s work when you supplied what I consider an inferior part to start with.

    The reason Greg would like for everybody to deal with me isn't about me making money. It is about giving Greg the time to do what he does. He doesn't have the time to talk to every person that wants injectors or thinks they want injectors. If he took that time from his regular business to discuss and answer emails from every truck owner that is considering this as an investment than he wouldn't have the time to build injectors, let alone work on the equipment in his shop.

    The only way to increase Hp 240 Hp above a set of 211-3023/10R-8501 is to change the tips to a higher flowing tip. You will never be able to trim that injector up that high in flow...........the orifices in the tip dictate the amount of fuel that can be injected into the cylinder over a specific amount of time. Additional fuel is the only way to increase Hp. To play with the injector calibration and a few other things in the injector will net 75 Hp on average above the stock injector. If you have a very good set,you may get 90 Hp...........you will not get 240 Hp


    Hayden it is a shame that you couldn't have been more up front with the beginning of this thread and the information that you were trying to glean. If you must know everything about pricing of injectors, you should have just PM me as I would have answered the questions. The problem is that the price varies depending on the cores, the tips on the cores, the tips you want on the rebuilt injectors. I got burned on the first set of injectors that I had Greg do for a customer. Why? Because I quoted a price before I had the cores in my hands. What was bad is once I had the cores, I looked at the boxes, saw the correct part number that I requested the customer to provide. So I didn't open the boxes, I packed those boxes and shipped them to OZ. The problem with that is the customer bought the wrong part number injectors. He bought 191-3003, instead of 211-3023 which is what the boxes had printed on them. Now the price to rebuild them changed. The tips had to be changed. With the tips being changed the needles needed to be machined properly. When Greg sent the injectors back to me, I felt bad for the customer, because I quoted a price ahead of time. Now the costs were higher and the injector actually cost more to rebuild than my original quoted price...........instead of me jacking the price up to cover everything. I sold them for my costs. Since this happened on the first set I called it a learning experience.........what did I learn......not to give a quote on something you don't have the final costs in before you sell it. So I have been very reluctant to quote a price on injectors, because until the cores are striped down your costs can change.

    You're trying to sell to the masses...........I want to sell to the individual

    Good luck, because I think you're going to need it. The proof of what Greg can do to injectors is in this video. You need to listen to the video to understand what I'm saying. The smoke or Hp number isn't what I'm talking about

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv9rLMHZe-4
     
  5. V8Lenny

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    No dyno results because you need more than injectors to make power. We don´t even have a dyno for very high hp engines.

    He is not doing any magic, just normal rebuild work, like Far call does. The reason US people are so excited about this is your country is full of crooks and you can´t get quality products or services. In the rest of the world this is just everyday service.

    Those Far Calls trim codes are just BS. Trim codes only alter individual injector pulsewidth, you can do the same with ECM programming or powerbox. Only problem is these experts like mr. Hankey are saying that powerboxes are bad. How is it any better to do it with trim codes?

    Just throw in the highest flowing codes like has always be done. Your Cat might sound like rock crusher but so they always do.
     
  6. morehp

    morehp Medium Load Member

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    I have just got myself out of the bench vice that my balls have been squeezed in!

    wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is right for the inter contanental bomb that has just goane off.

    First of all i want to apolagise for any one thinking that i have acted sheepishley, as i have been trying to avoid what has just happend for some time!
    I been contemplating bringing this out of the closet for a whyle, but could not think of the right tact to do it without the result being the same!

    There were a few factors this week that made me decide to do it, one of them was the personal conversation yourself and greg were having on the bull hauler thread, I posted in between your conversation with no reply
    [​IMG] Originally Posted by Mr. Haney [​IMG]
    I do belive they are going to test each trim calibration to see the Hp differences that they can dial up and down with. I'd also bet they are going to do the appropriate procedure of defaulting them to a single number.

    The truck has the same turbo on it that is on mine..........the lack of air shouldn't enter into the equation

    I dont know if both of you wer brushing me off like a pesky fly or what to make of it, I actualy was looking or ( fishing ) as greg calls it to start a conversation up and provide some input to the best of my knowlege. so people on here ( the good old fashioned trucker) can learn from it, because as greg always says you kurt have the best understanding of how all this works in the usa.

    I myself have alot to learn about it as well but i have a fair grasp of what can be achieved.

    That kinda did piss me off a little as there are alot of secrets and school yard treatment thrown around here,
    Maybe that is what atracts the interest i dont know?

    I did try to pm you a few days after the dyno comp, but your inbox was understandibly full,
    I am still yet to PM you with a follow up on the thing that i said i would look into, if you remember,


    And for the money side of things anything made out of it will go into research and development of other products and ideas i have.
    The money at this stage is not what i am aiming for ( I live and breath this stuff ) if there was enough money in it i would personaly fly to a customer fit the set of injectors make all other apropriate checks to the fuel and air side of things, pat the owner on the back and then follow him 10,000 miles in a rental car to make sure he has no problems.
    everyone knows that is not possable in the real world.

    who knows i may have bitten off more than i can chew? today i certanaly have thats for sure i aint spent a minute without a computer or phone infront of me.

    Kurt it was late where you are when you posted a responce, i had been waiting for it all day and i apolagise if any international calls or text whatever inconvenienced your day!

    I do not want to ruffle feathers and have anyone get there panties in a twist and stand down from the forums, as alot of people on here would loose out on not only the knowlege but the excitment and humor created here,

    There are far to many relationships built on trust in the trucking industry, and none of them need to be broken.

    as for the injector side of things. all i am wanting to achieve if fuel consumption gain because i know how hard fuel prices hurt not only a one man band but what about a whole fleet? imagine the savings that can be made????
    HP is verry cool dont get me wrong im right into it, but that is not my drive i have thoughts about emissions and all sorts going on upstairs!

    As for gregs injectors we all know they are dam good he has put alot of hard earned research into what he can do, and i dont think you will find anyone in australia that will knock them!

    I dont know how this will effect Greg and Neils and another clever person from australia Jeff,s relationship that has been one of my biggest concerns the whole time i have been thinking about introducing the product to the US. hopefully they are big enough to get on and still help eachother out if needed,
    I plan to get to Australia some time soon and see what we are dealing with and if Neil allows me at some stage i will be helping him make mods to the test bench to keep up with the technology because if you dont do that you get left behind!

    Thats all folks i am over this crap and tomorrow i will be driving an excavator developing my property so dont any one come at me with any bull ####

    Oh and if you want THE FORCE COULD BE WITH YOU lol
     
  7. morehp

    morehp Medium Load Member

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    oh

    one more thing i forgot Neil told me as he is a old school honest straight shooting man, that post he threw in ther was his first and last so can everyone reframe from asking him questions or pm,ing him he does not have the time or the paitence to be messing around on here, i was so surprised when he even showed up!

    Hopefully he will have his head down and ### up making FUEL FORCE injectors for the US market!
     
  8. Far_Call

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    You missed the whole Point!!!
    you were pretending to have injectors that were not what you claimed and were actually ADI injectors that you wanted re-branded so as to look like yours!
    If your were Honest about it you would have put them out there as a agent selling ADI injectors which is what they are.
    Hell I sell IPD parts but I don't pretend I made them and re badge them to get people to think I'm clever! and that their buying something other than IPD.

    I've helped Neil for years to get where he is now and I wouldn't stand in his way if he sold Injectors the the Chinese but I take offence when they are put up as something they are not.

    You were trying to pull the wool over people eyes with some small white lie's. being honest would have helped as I know all too well what Neil is Capable off and how many years he has been trying to perfect what he does.

    The truth is ADI can sell them himself if anyone cares to contact him and I've helped him over the years to get where he is now so why would I want to hinder his operation? I take offence only to your methods and motives not to Neils work.
     
  9. morehp

    morehp Medium Load Member

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    Lenny i agree with most of the things you say not all ! , you to have been branded the smelly kid also

    The advantage of doing it with trims is you can get the flow even the power box will only exagerate things.

    and if anyone has ever had anything to do with quarry equipment rock crushers break!
     
  10. morehp

    morehp Medium Load Member

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    no wool here anyone that has contacted me about them has been told that they are from a supplier in australia and are rebanded.

    why dont you go climb up the ### of the pdi owner and tell him hes rebranding stuff, Im sure in your industry you have come across The WORTH product range do they rebrand things??????? hell whyle we are at it we should start on SNAP ON tools seems we are from a similar background im sure you know what goes on with them. why dont you give the ceo of that company a call tomorrow and say hi greg here from australia wtf are you rebranding #### for??????? may be you can get right into there blue point range aswell????

    If neil is happy with it then it will happen! if your so ####### clever and you claim to be the king pin of the industry and made this magical test bench then you should have tied things up a whole lot better!!!!!

    we can argue till we are boith blue in the face and that will not get anyone anywhere.
    I dont want to turn into an angry man with a chip on my shoulder, there is more fun to be had in life :biggrin_255:

    I would say something here but i think its a little cheeky:yes2557:
     
  11. Far_Call

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    I've encouraged Neil and suggested many time he could move into other markets so your still off track..

    Its all good now as everyone knows what they are ACTUALLY buying and that should be the case. It took a lot of squeezing to get it out but its out now and that's the main thing. People can by them and enjoy them or hate them at least they know where they come from.

    I don't have time to Do injectors for a living which I have quoted many times and I only like to play with the high end stuff which others cant do.

    Hell I still send people and Earthmoving injectors to Neil so why would I want to stop Neil from moving forward? Its your ethics that concern me and the way you went about it.
     
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