Crank Timing Sensor

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  1. bender

    bender Road Train Member

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    Next time it doesn't start or all the time until you get this corrected, slow down your starting process a bit. Turn the key on to run but don't crank, watch the dash, look for the check lamps to go through self check, then when they are finished doing their thing and go off begin cranking with your eye on the tach. If it doesn't fire up and you see nothing on the tach or below 200 rpm this would cause your starting problem.
     
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  3. Meho1969

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    I can tell you for sure that when it has its little episodes of no starting, the tach does not move... I alway observe my dash, and I dont start the truck until all the self checks are performed and all the lights go out, not because Im patient and can wait but because on a darn volvo you have to wait for it to complete the self checks before you can start up. And you said if it acts like that and the tach does not move, what can be the cause of my starting problem?
     
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  4. bender

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    One of two things, too slow of cranking rpm for the crank sensor to read or failing crank sensor. The ecm will not fire the injectors without seeing rpm, the same rpm signal that is missing for your tach to read.
     
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    10-4 Thank you much!! I will have that checked up and inspected as soon as I return to STL :) ... you have been a biggg help thank you my friend!!!! :biggrin_25514: ...
     
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    Hopefully you're near the end of your mystery, I would pretty much bet you found your problem. Good luck to ya!
     
  7. allan5oh

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    Another thing you stated, is that you have to re prime the fuel system. This would indicate a leak somewhere that's causing you to lose the prime. Check the filter heads for any cracks or leaks. It's common on volvos and won't throw a code.
     
  8. snowwy

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    the ecm injects fuel into the cylinders by timing of the cam position sensor.

    the crank position sensor tells the ecm where #1 top dead center is. so that the ecm knows that it's injecting fuel into the right cylinders according to the cam position sensor.

    the two sensors help keep the ecm properly timed for fuel injection. into the appropriate cylinders.

    typically, the camshaft has 3 notches. and makes 2 revolutions for 1 revolution of the crankshaft. which only has one notch. the ecm uses those notches for timing of the injectors.

    if the crank didn't have a sensor. the ecm would know to inject fuel by the cam sensor but it wouldn't know which cylinder to inject. the ecm knows the firing order. but it needs to know when and where.

    unplug one or the other and the engine won't start. once the engine is started, it'll run without the crank but not the cam. least that's what happened on my isx motor when a road call was trying to figure out my electrical problem.

    as for your tach. i could be wrong but i think it's part of the cam position sensor.
     
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  9. v6killer

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    There is an check valve on your water and fuel separator, if that's bad it also has a hard time starting, I had the same symptoms as use describing, turned out to be the cam sensor was my problem. On Volvo engines depending on what model and year you have there are two sensors they both work off each other, just in case one goes bad, cam sensor and the flywheel sensor a.k.a. speed sensor.
     
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  10. Meho1969

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    I had all the filters changed twice in the last 3 weeks and all my filter bases are good, they checked all of them. And you are right it is not throwing any code what so ever...
     
  11. Meho1969

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    I have a 2007 VED 12, it is a Volvo engine, so I am assuming that it will turn out to be one of them two sensors, because I have changed and checked just about everything else that I could have changed and checked on it, and like bender indicated I checked last night and this morning again my tach when I tried to start it, IT DOES NOT MOVE... I hope I will get to the bottom of this because I am so not up to spending thousands of $$$$ at Volvo and them trying to figure it out, because they are not even sure themselves what it may be... LOL :biggrin_2556: ... Something like this would only happen to me... .
     
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