Why I Never Plug The Truck In During Winter

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by Burky, Dec 21, 2007.

  1. heyns57

    heyns57 Road Train Member

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    Some diesels have glow plugs that begin to heat when the key is turned on. Starting fluid would be prohibited along with glow plugs. Otherwise, a moderate amount of starting fluid should be fine. Our Penske Freightliners have a canister that automatically shoots some starting fluid, and we also plug in a block heater every night.

    In the days when two-sticks were the norm, care was taken to warm up the auxiliary transmission. The Brown Lipe boxes had rows and rows of needle bearings with tight clearances. No multiple gear lube was allowed, but the transmissions used 50 wt. motor oil or 90 wt mineral oil. While the engine warmed up on a cold morning, the main box was placed in about 3rd gear with the auxiliary in neutral to warm the mineral oil. If the "Browny" was very cold, it would kill the engine. Then, the driver had to start with the main box in low, eventually shifting to second and finally, third to prevent damaging those needle bearings and warm up both transmissions.
     
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  3. ziggystyles

    ziggystyles Road Train Member

    That is my concern as I don't know if the truck has a glow plug or not.
     
  4. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    First of all the problem is a Detroit. I know you are a company driver and can't do any thing about that small problem (engine brand). One diptroit POS I drove didn't want to start at 35 degrees. For comparison my CAT started the other day just fine at 8 degrees, was not plugged in.


    On cold weather starting here is a trick that has worked well for me. Hit the key and if it doesn't start hold on crank for 20 seconds or so. Usually the engine will at least attempt to start once or twice in that time. Let off the key and wait for about 30 to 45 seconds and then hit it again. Usually it'll fire this time. If not repeat, if after the 3rd try it doesn't start it probably won't be starting.
    I've been told that this allows what heat that was generated in the attempts to start to absorb into the block and help get things rolling on the next try. Since a diesel ignites from the temp of the compressed fuel/air, not with a spark plug. I don't know if this works the way its explained to work, but I do know that this procedure will start a cold engine.
     
  5. Brickman

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    I have yet to see any semi, certainly a late model, with glow plugs. This is a feature found on pickups and small garden tractors.
     
  6. Burky

    Burky Road Train Member

    Yep, I have to agree with this one. I have never run across any heavy duty engine with glow plugs in it. You will find them in lighter duty trucks, and some use other systems, like the intake manifold glow heater that is in the Dodge/Cummins pickups, but I have never once seen a glow plug in a heavy duty on road engine.

    As for hiding the ether, that would be an issue depending on where you work. if it's a problem, then keep it a low profile item. But used properly, there is no problem with the engine "igniting" in any way. the biggest issue that can occur with overuse of ether is that the ether wipes the lube oil off the walls of the cylinders and could potentially cause scorign of the cyliner walls. But if you just use a reasonable amount, not flooding the engine with it, you will be just fine with it.

    As for the idea of installing one of the heaters as a window mount, I don't know of any way that could be done. All I have ever seen in the permanent mount types, and i think at this time for the warranty to be vaild they would have to be mounted that way.

    But, you might be able to talk the bossman into buying one for a tryout on your truck if you point out how much fuel it will save on idling. Instead of burning 10-12 gallons for a 10 hour break, at 3.25 an hour, the unit will heat the truck that entire time for about a buck and a half. Wouldn't take too many nights of winter to pay for itself. You can also pointmout that Schneider has been speccing this unit on all their new trucks for at least the past 4 years, implying that this isn't some new, untested technology. I've seen the unit advertised for about 800 dollars, plus 3 hours time to install, which would make the payback time about a month of nightly use.
     
  7. Brickman

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    Burky if you ever see them for that price again PLEASE let me know ASAP.

    I want both the bunk heat and the engine heat.
     
  8. Burky

    Burky Road Train Member

    I'll watch for it. The place selling them was in Pennsylvania. I posted their address somewhere about a year ago, probably at TN. I'll have to do some searching over there, but if I answered by PM, it's gone now. There's a truck paper I see from time to time that carries the ads for them.
     
  9. heyns57

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  10. d-man57

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    I got a 03 w900 with a c 15 cat, I find it odd that it doesn't even have a place to plug the engine in. The truck originally came from the west coast, as far as i can remember this is the 1st truck I've ran across that didn't have one. So far it's always hit right off without help. I always thought these were standard equipment on all trucks. Anyone else run across one without a block heater?
     
  11. Burky

    Burky Road Train Member

    To my knowledge, it is not a standard item, and has to be specced when the truck is new. There are some companies that do not feel the need for them when the buy the truck, due to their parking indoors, or their location in warm areas, so the block heater has to be ordered. However, in your case, you could go to a good truck parts dealership, or an agricultural equipment dealership, and they could order one for you suitable to put on that size engine. They can be installed in radiator hoses, or in a coolant hose, and you probably would be under 100 dollars in cost at the very worst.

    As for my truck, I parked it this morning, done for the year after making my sat morning delivery. And I set the timer on the heater to go off next Wednesday at 2:10 in the morning. When I come out at 4 am, the engine will be warm and I'll start it up for the new year.
     
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