After reading grusco's thread "End of Oil Fields for me" I think the conversation about North Dakota has begun the turn away from one of opportunity to one of opportunity cost.
This was my third Winter in the ND oil patch, and I've hauled everything here from flatbed to rigs to water to oil to calcium chloride to flowback. Three years in the patch isn't much, but it is senior status when compared to the average stint of the ND hauler. I have worked in safety and field supervision up here too, and while management is mostly clean, the office is quiet, the hotels are sweet, the food is free and the company pickup is nice, the money isn't necessarily at the level of earning it the hard way, by living and working in the same box everyday, what most of us do out there where the real work is done. I earned $149,211 in 2012 (according to the 1040), hauling oil at 30% commission, averaging 16, um I mean 11-14, hours per day, 6, um I mean 5, days per week, pulling 250-bbl quad trailers behind HD 18-speeds, for a Stanley hauler since 2009. From what I hear, this is about average for someone with a few years' experience in oil. I cannot make this kind of money back home. The economy is crap there. Not even half of that.
I want this thread to be about married or securely attached guys who have at some point considered, or have already taken steps to, move their families to the oil patch. Perhaps you have thought about it and have thrown away that idea. What was the deal breaker? What were the pros and cons?
I should qualify what I mean at the outset here. Have you considered it? Let's say you like to your job here (or more likely, the nice paychecks) enough to stay for awhile. What is the logic of your thoughts? How do you justify uprooting your loved ones to a place where there isn't many people who want to know outsiders, where there isn't much to do without driving for hours, where Winter is six months long and the nearest Costco and mall (thinking of the wives) is six hours away?
Why did I not say unmarried guys with kids? Because I am of the opinion that bringing kids to the oil patch without family support (wife, secure girlfriend) is quite selfish of you and harmful to the kids. Period.
I like the money here. I can do the job well. I can put up with the mud, the breakdowns, the office politics, the family prejudice and the dispatcher abuse. I am considering bringing my family to the oil patch because we miss each other and one week a month is not enough for any kid, any marriage, any sustainable life. I want to be home every night, something quite doable and realistic with many o/o firms and even some of the big boys. I want to be a husband and father again, every night, something not possible OTR or when just going back home once in a full moon. I know too many guys with families back home who got served divorce papers when starting their 34-hour restart... the day before going home for some time off... the day after the wife took a year's savings and a big safety bonus from their bank account... they pick the worst possible times to ruin a guy's life while he is out here working his ### off, and trading his health for their financial security. Tell me I am wrong...
Why start this thread? Because for me, the money is not worth my family. If I have to choose, the choice is already made... for my family.
What say you? Maybe you had a good job back home that went away with the recession; you lost your home, pride and sense of professional identity, and now you just want to get it back yesterday, to save your own sanity and the family trust in you to provide. I don't know your story, but I know hundreds of guys working the patch right now who are tired of not being a family man because the money may not be in ND tomorrow. What are your priorities that will be in your decision to bring them out to the tundra, or go home? Maybe you want to earn enough to get out of debt, pay off the house and save enough so your local job back home will be enough for your family's needs.
Perhaps you are in the group of guys whose family will support you from back home, and will never forsake you. Good on ya. Looking at the numbers though, it's quite a gamble with no payoff if you're wrong. Maybe five nights per month is enough for your wife/gf. I don't know.
Gotta be lots of guys out here with thoughts on this issue, even if it's just your observation of another driver. (Hands you the microphone...)
Time to start a thread about bringing your family to the oil patch.
Discussion in 'Oilfield Trucking Forum' started by nd-newbie, Apr 13, 2013.
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Very good thread. To me it ain't worth it. The money is good but what kind of lifestyle is your family gonna get outhere? U know they say if the wife ain't happy u aint happy mine would proly head outhere and end up coming back 3months later. My question to you is this how much longer do u plan on being outhere? I had the opportunity to head outhere but after some research I realized its dead outhere. Very good thread.
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It is a good thread and I think it's something most guys don't think about before they head out there. I live 20 miles from Dallas and for the last four years I've been home every night while working in the oilfield. I'm about to have to go to west Texas cause the work here is slowing down. This is a choice me and my wife have made for our family. She's completely understands and is on board 100% which makes it much easier.
I think in Texas it is much easier to make a life for your family than it would be in nd. She is close to her friends and family and we have plenty to do when I'm off. This is a lifestyle for us. It's all we've ever known. I make great money and have awesome benifits and it allows her to stay home and raise our kids. I get twenty weeks off a year and make right under 100k a year right now so for us it is completely worth it.mje Thanks this. -
Good idea for a thread.
I would not bring my wife and kids up to ND or Texas for any reason. I spent a week down in Texas on the west side and it was better than what I remembered ND being but still I would not like thinking my wife and kids would be sitting there waiting for me to get home in a strange land for them.
I discussed this with my wife the other day and she said what ever you do, I will support you. The kids don't care either way, they will miss me but my home time I make up with it and seeing I have no issues with communicating with them it is less than a worry for them. We have had to deal with some bad stuff and I had to go on the road for 12 weeks at a time, sometimes spending 26 weeks out on the road.
I don't understand how people can even consider bring wife and kids anywhere that people are living out of campers or in hotels, it is like when I was up in the great northwest in Canada, not the place for my wife let alone kids with those who were let's say criminally suspect.mje Thanks this. -
Do ya want to take home 100,000 a year or live in poverty................which one is it...........what keeps you from buyin a house ?
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I'm single, so don't face a lot of these issues, but even I know ND isn't ideal for families. The schools are overcrowded and underfunded. Housing is too expensive, and there's always the risk of overpaying only to see prices drop when it's time to sell. The roads are dangerous, even in good conditions due to reckless drivers filled with testosterone (and other chemicals). Everything is over-priced, and there's no cultural scene (for those that care about such things). Every deadbeat and scumbag in the country has heard the streets were flooded with easy money up here, and when they discover otherwise they often fall back on old habits.
What you're left with is the prospect of raising your family in a barren environment filled with suspect characters.
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Well me and the wife are going all in, been up here since Oct and the being gone 6-8 weeks at a time is not cutting it.just waiting on closing on a nice twin home in Dickinson. Its a risk; but #### wages in Florida just wont cut it anymore. Plus for some crazy reason I kinda of like it up here. I'm in Watford now but theres no way I would let my wife drive with the kids on the roads up there, but Dickinson is just big enough to have a good family life, kids are young and i think they'll like it up there, wifes a teacher and there's going to be plenty of work for the foreseeable future. The patch is getting more efficient everyday and it will come to the point that the work will mostly be done by people who are permanent residents. Definitely not for everyone but sometimes you just have to give it a shot, I think some people cut themselves short and for that matter ND. North Dakota will not only reap the benefits of the oil boom but the new blood of people that will become a part of its communities.
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Five nights home a month would be great. I've been from williston to Bowman, now just started a job in new town I've been here since last July and have only been home for nine days at Christmas when my gramps passed away. I hate it here and miss my home (Michigan) badly. But I wouldn't put my wife through this being away from her family. No kids but I'm just trying to catch up by driving a #### truck out here till I can afford to come home again. She hates me being here but she would be miserable here. I know it.
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