Empty Running out of Columbus OH Market

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by atrucker, May 15, 2013.

  1. atrucker

    atrucker Light Load Member

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    Here is a little detail on communication about the load they have been trying to push out for 4 days an have been posted for $1325. But when I inquired about it he says $1200.
    I would love to help you out on both directions but here is my breakdown of running the lane down and up.
    I came here with freight quote for $600 for approx 500 miles to Cleveland OH from Millville NJ, with standard hope to run back with a little over $3/mile. Which did not happen so I repositioned my truck in Columbus OH one of the best markets for freight.

    It cost me $90/day in insurance and registration and other related expenses $90 x4 = $360
    It cost me approx $190 one way in tolls Total for trip 190X 2 = $380
    cost in fuel to drive to Cleveland OH from NJ was = $375
    running backup with Freight Quote starting from the rest area to Jeffersonville OH to Philadelphia PA and then to the parking is approx 595 miles that will cost fuel=$446

    Total for the trip in my costs =$1561

    coming down the lane was $600 with Freight Quote

    Going back up the lane will be $1300 with Freight Quote
    Total revenue for the trip = $1900

    Net profit before any unforeseen or daily expense = $339
    If a tire goes flat it costs minimum of $400 that will not be payable with this trip

    But I understand since us market has crashed or about to be crashed so the rates going back up to northeast might have dropped to ever low to close to $2/mile instead of close $3.5/mile

    I appreciate the offer though, please keep me posted if you change anything
     
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  3. Sly Fox

    Sly Fox Road Train Member

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    AT, part of your problem is you're using freight averages to determine what price YOU want to run for. Are you seriously taking loads out of NJ for that rate because the website tells you to take them for that rate?

    First, you seem to be much to quick or eager to get back to that 'high paying freight' because you're leaving NJ way too cheap. You can find $2/mi out if you look for it. You've spent days in a great freight market agonizing over not getting $3+, but you skipped right out of NJ for fuel money? That's the area you shop around in.

    And you don't demand a higher price just because you got suckered into going there too cheaply. You haul a load for the rate the load should be hauled at. Not trying to make up for your previous bad decision. Or deadhead. Or going home. Etc.
     
  4. Passin Thru

    Passin Thru Road Train Member

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    loosing? Giving them more money? That's what loosing means. Tha and the fact I can't decipher 1/2 of what you write because I only have an IQ of 162. i want to knwo the name of this terrorist group. They must have a name. Any clues? Heard a trashy voice once, turned out to be a Congressman.
     
  5. atrucker

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    I had spent a week of load searching, to get out of NJ bad market (.94 load/1truck with total post 15607), Last I remember few months ago, when NJ market was 3.2 loads to 1 truck 36000 total postings, and I asked for $1.90/mile on a similar load most of the people would not go any further in discussion after that and Freight Quote got so pissed off and stated bad mouthing and hung up the phone.
    So being said that after searching through for 3-4 days and not being able to book a load I had to repositioned myself (because my bills are too high for no obvious reason, for example every one else in my area is paying $5000-6000 for insurance, but mine is $8000) to an always good market and the whole industry knows that the move was justified. In this market here O/O come in and go out, very quickly, all day and they book a load with in 10-15minutes to northeast and get $3.5/mile. Yesterday I talked for about five O/O with different backgrounds they all booked out of here pretty quickly (one remember looking at the rate sheet at $4.53/mile with Access America Beer loads). Secondly going northeast has always been a better paying from pretty much anywhere.
    Landstar just offered me this whopping $1000 to go to NJ turn pike exit 9, 568 miles run. You are telling me that this load will be booked out of here for that rate. That will never happen.
    Some one mentioned about the trashy voice always answering my phone could be congressman, that is pathetic to link a real low lifer acts of terrorists gangs to a legit organization of such a beautiful country.
     
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  6. Sly Fox

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    Your senility is what is probably making your rates so low. How can you even justify that last run-on sentence in this conversation? Is this how you talk to brokers? No wonder you only get the loads still stuck to the bottom of their shoes.

    And STOP looking at perceived rates of trucks per postings. Those can be greatly influenced by multiple load posts of the same load, or lack of people posting their trucks (I never post my truck).

    If the rate isn't what you want, just decline the offer. No need to get in hysterics over it. Just move on to the next one.

    And that $4.53/mi either was pretty short, or had some special circumstances to it. That's not a regular every day occurrence.

    In the end, how good you negotiate, how well you know your markets, and your past business history all dictate how well you get treated. When a broker knows you'll go cheap one place, they know you'll go cheap any place. Sure, it might not be $1/mi, but that load out of OH to NJ for $900 is probably somebody that got you over for less than $1/mi and think they can bend you over the barrel again. They won't change. Your past history dictates that.

    And evidenced by your screen shots, you're putting yourself right back in an area where you found crap before. I hope you succeed at this job. But, it appears you're well on your way to bankruptcy.
     
  7. Big Jay

    Big Jay Light Load Member

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    I'd like to be a fly on the wall during your phone conversations with brokers.............

    People on here have offered advice, you've chosen to blaze your own trail......key word here......."chosen"
     
  8. atrucker

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    I have talked to 100s of truckers and O/Os, who run their own show, and seen from the point they open the computer to booking the load ( It always take me about a week to try to book a profitable load from any hot market). Not having the best skills or good company records or any thing else special to offer at all. I actually felt really bad for some one and handed $20 for lunch for letting me listen to the conversation which he should not have listened by some one who has been at his teacher's level) If you are telling me that ACME is going to sell you how you look and walk in to the store and change the price of gallon of milk, accordingly, then there will be trouble very quickly.
    And yes, if one trucker does not post his truck the ratio does not change drastically, because there are others who post theirs more than once all the time. A guy from Allentown PA has his truck posted 2-3 different ways all the time. Any way if this is the case then every one should be going back home empty (like myself today after trying to book a load out of Columbus OH market for a week). Negotiation skills and tricks may matter to some extend but not to a point where one has to go to the brokers home and clean their toilet when it is truckers market not brokers (look at economic data and government issued statements). There are not many economics major and computer experts who can wheeze through the data and get to the jest of it. If the brokers were making every one starve and no one making any money then people will leave and there will be further shortage of truckers, which will bring the market back up for trucks side. There is no negotiating needed where you are the only trucker, and there are 5 loads on the dock, and the trucker knows what is bottom line cost for his company, and what the consumer is paying in the industry (reading and listing to the economical stats and market projections based on these stats for the next years budgets and government planning and the list goes on). The thing is that there are 5 loads on the dock and one truck in front of them. Let's say, the negotiation fell through today then tomorrow and the next week but how long?? Even the inbound trucks are not enough to cover all the listed loads. You are telling me that there is no one making any money but economy is booming??? That statement might work for some who has never been in the market and does not know how to read and write. This site appears to be siding the brokers and bigger guys all the time, so back to the same thing again. Like the guy said they went after Christians and I did not do any thing because I was not a Christian. Then they went after the Jews and then Muslims and on and on, but I did not do any thing because I was not a Jews or Muslim. Then they went after me, and I ran for help, but there was no one left to help. At the end since I have been refused all the loads out of the strong OH market and any other hot spots, I enclose with a wish that the Almighty refuse the loads to these markets, and actually dry them up as they did to me, and hope the same to the truckers and O/O who supported the market monopolization by the big groups, whether covert or up front. (the markets during hot seasons were Jackson MS, Birmingham AL, Memphis TN, Macon GA, Columbia SC, Charlotte NC, Dayton OH, Columbus OH, Greencastle PA, Dayton NJ, Houston TX, Shreveport LA, I may have missed a few but same wish goes for them)
     
  9. rollin coal

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    I saw a good load pop again today on landstar alerts today out of Columbus, OH paying a fair rate to a good market. Having been up there twice in the past month I grabbed a LS load on a Sunday night, the very one mentioned in my first comment in this thread. The second time I went there it was somewhat dead but I had no problem grabbing a couple of 100 mile loads out, yes I had two days in those, no, it wasn't fantastic money.. ..but it worked. Put me right onto a possible good load, which I got, and the average was good. I'd much rather had a good 400 miles load out of there, but i couldn't get a decent rate on that stuff.. so I mixed it up and changed the plan. One thing I have never done is take a very cheap load outbound from home, to an alleged good market. Your outbound should always be your moneymaker.. they have you pegged as cheap out of new England and also back to it. Do you ever consider short hauls? My avg length of haul is less than 300 miles, you realize those are the easiest ones to Jack the rate up on with a van? You forever go on about these 600 mile loads, yes you can get $2.50 or $3 a mile on those but not every day. No-one gives money away, you have to do a better job as a salesman and quit booking these cheap loads.. I'd almost say ditch your old mc and start fresh with a new one also.

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  10. atrucker

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    I disagree with you on that by 100 percent for any of the above. Here is my humble challenge to the above statement, I ask you to say the same thing by putting your hand on your bible and come back and just say that you did it, and I will take your word to word and take the blame on myself.
     
  11. atrucker

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    I apologize for my reply to your post Jay. Let me say this I respect your opinion and appreciate the comments. You are probably way more senior than me in this business and on the earth as well. It is no big deal money can come and go but memories don,t. At least I will be back home and have a sleep. And do not mean any lose of business for all the markets I said in comments. Those markets are future for our next generation and our children. Its OK if I did not make any money. It should not be any problem, but I did get sick because of stupid tension for no reason.
     
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