What is the correct placards for this scenario.

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by the12thfamily, Oct 5, 2013.

  1. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    WRONG. I don't know where you came up with that but it's kind of funny but still completely wrong. Pick up CFR Transportation parts 49 to 177 §172.101 (e) Column 4 Identification number. Column 4 of table §172.101 lists the identification number assigned to each proper shipping name. "UN" means the material can be shipped international and the "NA" means it is not recognized for international transportation. Except for Canada.

    Anyone that's hauls hazardous material should know this book of Code of Federal Regulations parts 49 to 177. It's to protect you the driver because after the shipper gives you what is required of them all the responsibility is on you. There's just too many items that can get you into trouble and you can not know them all. But you must know where to go for the information. I would never take a load of hazardous material if I did not know it was right or where I could check to see if it's right. Sure the shipper has items they must do but once you take the load their responsibility ends. NEVER GUESS.
     
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  3. Moosetek13

    Moosetek13 Road Train Member

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    Wow.

    I am currently running a hm load filled with mostly 1263 - about 40k of it.
    Small quantities of a couple other things as well.

    I am placarded with Flammable 3. This from the shipper, which raised no red flags when I called HM at my company to verify.
    And I also got pulled over by DOT for an inspection on this trip.

    The DOT officer said nothing about it.
     
  4. Upright

    Upright Medium Load Member

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    This OP asked what placards to use for his load. You give him/her the whole hazmat regulation. He should already know about paper work already and parking requirements. Stay on subject know-it-all
     
  5. Victor_V

    Victor_V Road Train Member

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    Without seeing your manifest, you likely need to fly 1263 and Dangerous. You got lucky on your inspection, how'd the rest of it go?
     
  6. Victor_V

    Victor_V Road Train Member

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    My skim-over lightly is not near whole Haz reg, just some important points for OP. My hunch is OP needs more than just 'fly this' or 'fly that' placard. He's responsible for the load now. I still get confused by Haz paperwork. Some require at least 5 write-through copies and a continuation page of 5 more write-through copies. Others are just one sheet and a photocopy for yourself.

    I recently had a situation where the manifest was not complete. The ship clerk had a family emergency and left in a rush. The continuation page was blank and I was Transporter 3, meaning our fed ID number (for Haz, not DOT) and my sig go on that page. All blank. #2 at the shipper was two hours away. After 3-way negotiation between the #2, myself and dispatch, I was instructed to fill-in the bill number at the top of each continuation page and leave the rest blank, except our stuff, fill that in like normal. Not 100% Hoyle, but gudenuff.



    /You're a little more 'uptight' than 'upright', aren't you! : 0)
     
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  7. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    I recently had a situation where the manifest was not complete. The ship clerk had a family emergency and left in a rush. The continuation page was blank and I was Transporter 3, meaning our fed ID number (for Haz, not DOT) and my sig go on that page. All blank. #2 at the shipper was two hours away. After 3-way negotiation between the #2, myself and dispatch, I was instructed to fill-in the bill number at the top of each continuation page and leave the rest blank, except our stuff, fill that in like normal. Not 100% Hoyle, but gudenuff.

    It's like most stuff with us. Nothing happens until something major happens. A lot of inspectors do not know what to look for. Do not count on a load being correct just because an inspector says OK. The problem is if there's a spill or an accident and the Federal people start going over your truck and load with a fine tooth comb. Those violations they find are the drivers and he or she will have to pay the fines. I know it's a pain but I went and got the manual for hauling hazmat just to cover myself. I was lucky because we only hauled one type of product but there's still tons of requirements just for gasoline.
     
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  8. CondoCruiser

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    http://www.hazmatpac.com/un-hazmat-marking-system.html

    I was looking at this page about UN markings in regards to packaging but I see now it's irrelevant to the UN1263 but a separate number.

    I have the book right beside me, thank you!
     
  9. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    See 49 CFR, Part 172, Subpart F, for complete placarding regulations.
    • Each person who offers for transportation or transports any hazardous material
    subject to the Hazardous Materials Regulations must comply with all applicable
    requirements of Subpart F [§172.500].
    • Placards may be displayed for a hazardous material, even when not required, if
    the placarding otherwise conforms to the requirements of Subpart F of Part 172
    [§172.502(c)].
    • For other than Class 7 or the DANGEROUS placard, text indicating a hazard
    (e.g., “FLAMMABLE”) is not required. Text may be omitted from the OXYGEN
    placard only if the specific ID number is displayed on the placard
    [§172.519(b)(3)].
    • For a placard corresponding to the primary or subsidiary hazard class of a
    material, the hazard class or division number must be displayed in the lower
    corner of the placard [§172.519(b)(4)].
    • Except as otherwise provided, any bulk packaging, freight container, unit load
    device, transport vehicle or rail car containing any quantity of material listed in
    Table 1 must be placarded [§172.504].
    • When the aggregate gross weight of all hazardous materials in non-bulk
    packages covered in Table 2 is less than 454 kg (1,001 lbs), no placard is
    required on a transport vehicle or freight container when transported by highway
    or rail [§172.504(c)].
    • Notes: See §172.504(f)(10) for placarding Division 6.1, PG III materials.
    • Placarded loads require registration with USDOT. See §107.601 for registration
    regulations.
    • The new ORGANIC PEROXIDE placard became mandatory 1 January 2011 for
    transportation by rail, vessel, or aircraft and becomes mandatory 1 January 2014
    for transportation by highway. The placard will enable transport workers to readily
    distinguish peroxides from oxidizers [§172.552].


    IDENTIFICATION NUMBER MARKINGS ON ORANGE PANELS OR APPROPRIATE
    PLACARDS MUST BE DISPLAYED ON: (1) Tank Cars, Cargo Tanks, Portable Tanks,
    and other Bulk Packagings; (2) Transport vehicles or freight containers containing
    4,000 kg (8,820 lbs) in non-bulk packages of only a single hazardous material
    having the same proper shipping name and identification number loaded at one
    facility and transport vehicle contains no other material, hazardous or otherwise;
    and (3) transport vehicles or freight containers containing 1,000 kg (2,205 lbs) of
    non-bulk packages of materials poisonous by inhalation in Hazard Zone A or B.
    See §§172.301(a)(3), 172.313(c), 172.326, 172.328,172.330, and 172.331.
     
  10. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    What the UN or NA numbers mean really does not matter to me the driver. All I do is make sure the numbers are the same as listed in the 172.101 table column 4. I don't know where you got that reference for what the UN number mean but I do not think it applies. Take gasoline for example, the UN1203 is required on all placards for a tanker. Where does the #1 identify a tank? All I do is stick with the CFR 49.
     
  11. mathematrucker

    mathematrucker Medium Load Member

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    The existence of a long and detailed thread like this puzzles me. Why isn't there an app where you just enter the UN numbers and total quantities for each type of container and it spits out exactly what placards to attach?

    Google's summary in the top search result (hazmathero.com) says, "Learn how you can get this domain...See more domains like this...This Web page is parked FREE, courtesy of GoDaddy."

    According to Google's second search result (appbrain.com), "This app is unfortunately no longer available on the Android market."

    Wonder what happened to it.
     
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