Perfect Fuel Prices!

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by jasonb1, Mar 14, 2008.

  1. 7mouths2feed

    7mouths2feed "Family Man"

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    Exactly right!!!

    Lets not forget that many shippers are already paying the "proper" FSC and yet it is not getting to where it is supposed to. Also with the fuel discount that JB, Werner, Swift..... get they can absorb a higher fuel cost because they bought futures. When we were paying $2.75 and they bought it at ????$.98/gl????? bulk. Now that the price of fuel has gone up they can ask for an increase in FSC from thier customers perhaps low enough not to alarm them but still higher than what they were getting so they are now making more money off the FSC that they really do not need. Why do you think they advertise o/o's pay only $1.25/gl?
     
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  3. jasonb1

    jasonb1 Bobtail Member

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    Good for Swift and JB Hunt. A federally regulated FSC that is mandatory will make them even richer. However, it will also make it possible for small companies to stay in business because they do not deserve to pay for someone elses fuel. Why does a trucking company deserve to pay for a shippers fuel while they make money. Shouldn't shippers and customers pay a standardized charge (not get robbed) so that they can make money one the items they're selling? You're right, pay for their fuel, go stand in the corner and say you're on strike and ask the oil industry or the government to give you a break. Yeah a break, a discount on something, that's the american way. Let the shipper make money and beg the oil companies for a break. By the way, hold your breath while your on strike.
     
  4. twinturbotrans

    twinturbotrans Light Load Member

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    So exactly what is your solution for smaller companies that cannot get FSC right now? simply park and go out of business?
     
  5. jasonb1

    jasonb1 Bobtail Member

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    Short term, probably. A lack of vision put the trucking industry here in the first place. I hate to tell you but it took years to complaicency to get to this point and it cannot be fixed by riding around your state capitol begging for your state to take money from it's budget and pay shippers fuel bills so you can make a profit. This is a situation that should have been addressed before it became a problem. A federally regulated, mandated FSC is the only answer to keep you from paying for someone else's product while they make a profit. A strike will not work for the reasons I have already listed. This problem will take time to fix but with dues paid to the lazy lawyers at OOIDA this problem CAN be fixed in time. I hate to say it but this is the ONLY long term solution to the fuel problem. Please keep in mind that it's only a fuel problem because you're paying for someone elses fuel. If you didn't pay for their fuel it wouldn't be a problem no matter how much fuel costs. FMCSA already regulates you on everything from hours of service to equipment maintenance, to load weight limits. How hard would it be for them to make sure everybody is in compliance when they audit.
    Small companies are not going out of business now due to a price war with Swift or JB Hunt. Why are they being forced to park now? Fuel.
     
  6. Big "A"

    Big "A" Light Load Member

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    As the rich gets richer, the trucker gets poorer.
     
  7. Sergeant-Scream

    Sergeant-Scream Light Load Member

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    Holy you know what, did I just read this guys post correctly.... LOL, this is exactly why nothing will happen, negative outlooks on striking will not help, blah blah. Some will step up, and anything is possible.
     
  8. jasonb1

    jasonb1 Bobtail Member

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    You can strike all you want but your strike has no plan other than to hope that someone gives you a handout. The trucking industry needs implementable solutions and getting on TV and saying "i'm broke because fuel prices are too high" is great publicity but it's going to do the same thing its done for the last 15 years which is nothing. In a week we will see what the Georgia strike (ride around in a circle in the park) has accomplished. You really need to look at some of the other threads on this site that have different proposals for SOLUTIONS. Standing around complaining is not a solution.
     
  9. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    No one is standing around here. Striking would not have been my first option, but it's happening. Now that it's on, the public needs to be aware of why we're doing this. By striking we run the risk of alienating the public's trust even more if we do not strike in a respectful manner. None of us want to blockade freeways, on-ramps, off-ramps or toll booths. Otherwise cause havoc that public employees have done in the past. But Parking and Shutting Down in front of "City Hall" accomplishes many things. It shows that
    • We can organize as an industry
    • Make our grievances known peacefully
    • Communicate with the public and improve our IMAGE
    We're not asking for "Hand-outs" btw!!! We just want to be able run our businesses and turn a profit. It's a sad state of affairs when fuel cost more than insurance, more than the mortgage and in some cases both!!!

    There's nary an O/O who wants a government handout. That's why we're INDEPENDENT. But Don't Screw US over by kowtowing to the special interests groups like the envior-whackos and the pro-Mexican truck lobbies. Our politicians forgot who put them in the office in the first place. We're mad but we're not stupid. Most of us would rather be hitting the road and turning the wheels than striking. But our livelihoods and our independence are at stake.

    Trucking is American as apple pie and putting a man on the moon. We're movers and shakers around here.

    We Ain't Standing Around :pottytrain1:
     
  10. 550hpW900L

    550hpW900L Road Train Member

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    How about you go buy a truck and trailer, run out west then back and pay for fuel and then come on here and talk all this crap. Yes i get a fuel surcharge but the bull s#it surcharge is not enough to cover the #### fuel that keeps going up, what is it at now 63cpm? HAHA thanks, right now it costs around 80cpm to operate my truck. All OOIDA is good for is their dumb lawsuits and bull S#it insurance they try to push on you. You have no idea what you are talking about untill you are in our shoes, and by the sound of you i doubt you have your own truck.
     
  11. TX_Proud

    TX_Proud Light Load Member

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    I must be missing something here. Why can't an independent implement a FSC? I'm independent and I implement one. I don't even charge an FSC for the most part because my rates are calculated on my cost per mile (adjusted weekly), but if I am being asked to bid on something either long term or in the future, I include an FSC clause.

    Am I planning to "strike?" Uh, no.... I'm doing quite well, thank you very much. Is fuel higher by $1/gal since August? Uh, yes. Yet I'm making more profit per mile than I was a year ago. You want to know my secret? JUST SAY NO TO CHEAP FREIGHT! It's really quite simple. You want to hear a shipper or a broker squeal? Tell them what you WILL haul for (and don't be greedy). No need to be rude, ruthless or anything less than professional; just either say no or give them your rate.

    If you are leased to a carrier.....quit! Go find another carrier and negotiate what you need to be successful. Or get your own authority and be truly independent.

    If you have contracts with shippers and you did not include an FSC clause, shame on you. Calculate what it costs you to get out of the contract or just live with it until you can renegotiate.

    Going on "strike" is silly and will only negatively impact the public's perception of those in our industry. Indepedents can't "strike" by the way. If you don't want to haul cheap freight, then by all means park your rigs until you can get what you need to be successful. Demanding that someone do something about higher fuel prices because you can't manage your business is just wrong.
     
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