How to log

Grandiego, I would bet a large sum of money that you are cheating now, and don't even know or understand. There is going to be a day very soon, when you will make the choice to cheat to keep from sitting all day and making no money.

To me, there is a difference between cheating or massaging the books, then running illegal. The driver that drivers past his/her ability, driver that drives while tired, and companies that push them to are the big problems.

Mark

 

listen if you are driving the truck are you are inspecting the truck you are on duty .unless a company wont to pay you for the amount of time you put as on duty,. don't do it if your on duty driving are inspecting only dam any company that says other wise i would tell them to go to hell .there already has been a precedence in Court where if you drive over 40 hours the company should pay time and a haft . washington state a driver sued the company he was drive ring for this very thing and won the case the court said they had to pay him back pay, quite a bit of money .some day it will go to the supreme court and all these company's will haft to pay for drivers being on duty over 40 hours its just a matter of time .

 

Ok let me know the outcome . Not just one time of scaling etc but about 10 times. Mainly like cat scales and issues like that. If your just driving over a scale that doesn't need to be flagged (or can be flagged but not logged .

 

All the above would be considered cheating and can end you up in jail just the same.

I mean I am not sure how they would look at it if you was where you was supposed to be all teh time and just didn't log line 4, however the court/jury could say he would of been over their 70 hour if they logged it and shouldn't of been behind the wheel. NOt sure on that one case scenerio .

 

Sounds like your system works ok. only a couple points. ALL time spent on a shipper or recievers property is to be logged as on duty not driving. Also I get a kick out of people logging post trip and pretrip on the same vehicle.NOT REQUIRED! DOT does require a pretrip inspection but not a post trip unless it is a driveaway towaway operation. Look up the defintion. What sense does it make to log 15 minutes at night for post trip and then 10 hours later log a pretrip on the same truck!! I always log pretrip and do inspect. Post trip is a waste of time. You could run over a nail in the parking lot and get a flat. But you won't find it until morning. So in most cases a post trip is unnessecary.

 

All time spent on a shippers or recievers property should be logged on line 4

 

Ok here is again the copy of the DOT regulations on pre-trip & post-trip.
I agree not both should be shown on line 4. Your pre-trip could be done in less than 7.5 minutes and or 15 minutes.

THIS IS THE EXACT REG ON POST-TRIP. NOtice the post-trip is the one that has to be done in writting and the one that list all parts & accessiories that need to be checked.

a) Report required. Every motor carrier shall require its drivers to report, and every driver shall prepare a report in writing at the completion of each day's work on each vehicle operated and the report shall cover at least the following parts and accessories:

Service brakes including trailer brake connections

Parking (hand) brake

Steering mechanism

Lighting devices and reflectors

Tires

Horn

Windshield wipers

Rear vision mirrors

Coupling devices

Wheels and rims

Emergency equipment

(b) Report content. The report shall identify the vehicle and list any defect or deficiency discovered by or reported to the driver which would affect the safety of operation of the vehicle or result in its mechanical breakdown. If no defect or deficiency is discovered by or reported to the driver, the report shall so indicate. In all instances, the driver shall sign the report. On two-driver operations, only one driver needs to sign the driver vehicle inspection report, provided both drivers agree as to the defects or deficiencies identified. If a driver operates more than one vehicle during the day, a report shall be prepared for each vehicle operated.

(c) Corrective action. Prior to requiring or permitting a driver to operate a vehicle, every motor carrier or its agent shall repair any defect or deficiency listed on the driver vehicle inspection report which would be likely to affect the safety of operation of the vehicle.

(1) Every motor carrier or its agent shall certify on the original driver vehicle inspection report which lists any defect or deficiency that the defect or deficiency has been repaired or that repair is unnecessary before the vehicle is operated again.

(2) Every motor carrier shall maintain the original driver vehicle inspection report, the certification of repairs, and the certification of the driver's review for three months from the date the written report was prepared.

(d) Exceptions. The rules in this section shall not apply to a private motor carrier of passengers (nonbusiness), a driveaway-towaway operation, or any motor carrier operating only one commercial motor vehicle.


Basically the pre-trip is to make sure all items found on the post-trip inspection was repaired. The problem with this is if the driver before you had noted something wrong with the trailer and it was not repaired it is up to you to make sure it was repaired and the inspection should of been left to you or it should of been fixed and signed off on, but again you should of made sure that equipment was ok to use. So basically any "new" equipment you want to inspect thoroughly and if your truck/trailer has been in the shop you want to do another good inspection before signing off on the post-trip report.

Many have this wrong, and to the drivers interest it is best to inspect your equipment at the END of the day to avoid delays in the beginning of your day "hopefully".

Therefore you really should be logging line 4 at the end of the day (however long it takes you to inspect your vehicle/s) and on your pretrip you should be making sure nothing went wrong while you was parked as in someone pulling the king pin, oil leak etc. Just a quick walk around should be fine, right? if you haven't went anywhere "what could go wrong, check them items".


PRE-TRIP INSPECTION:

Before driving a motor vehicle, the driver shall:

(a) Be satisfied that the motor vehicle is in safe operating condition;

(b) Review the last driver vehicle inspection report; and

(c) Sign the report, only if defects or deficiencies were noted by the driver who prepared the report, to acknowledge that the driver has reviewed it and that there is a certification that the required repairs have been performed. The signature requirement does not apply to listed defects on a towed unit which is no longer part of the vehicle combination.