please steer this wannabe trucker in the right direction

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by hiii98, Jun 16, 2014.

  1. hiii98

    hiii98 Light Load Member

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    I have a nearby trucking school which is 30 minutes from my house. they offer 2 classes, 1 is 2 weeks long and I was told it was typically for people who have already driven large trucks the other is 4 weeks long for newbie students. The cost of the first program is $3500 and the 4 week is $5300. I assume I should go for the 4 week course? Are these costs high? They are trying to get me to stay in their local hotel but I live fairly close, school is 6am (YIKES!) for 1 month...advice?

    Second question is, is it smarter to have a company sponsor my schooling? Wouldn't I be indentured to the company and isn't this a bad idea? The school told me I have my finances approved due to my good credit, but reality is I'm going bankrupt in a few months as I lost my business and have had zero income for over a year now. Should I get another loan and put myself deeper in debt (I'm already beyond over my head) or have the company pay for it? I may declare bankruptcy if I cannot turn around my fortunes asap (which is why I'm going from self employeed with a masters degree...into considering being a OTR trucker!)

    The school is in Sun Prarie Wisconsin and does not have a good reputation. But they will get you your CDL and the local trucking company said...just pass the course and we will train you after that. I also have zero friends that own a truck or are truckers to help me train/prepare.

    The final question is that I am an extremely independent person and was considering owner/operating a truck. Is this a good idea or terrible one? Apparently my credit somehow is still flawless.. Should I immediately try to buy a truck before my credit goes to null? I was told to buy an older model one, not a newer and plan on making this a life long career. I'm not sure if the money is any better being a owner/operating but I heard there are perks in regards to working for another company yet still being independent, any advice on laying out a perfect career path would be extremely helpful and appreciated. If you could do it all over again what would you advise your younger self?

    thanks
    Ryan
     
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  3. 8thnote

    8thnote Road Train Member

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    First of all, 5k is about the going rate for a CDL school. If you've never held a CDL before, you need to do the 4 week course in order to satisfy the insurance companies of any future employer. There is absolutely no reason for you to stay in their motel (except extra profit for them).

    If you go the route of company sponsored training, you will be indentured to that company. It is always better to do a private school if possible. That will give you more job options and most companies will reimburse part or all of the cost of school once you are hired on (its usually paid out over a period of several months, so don't expect a lump sum). The only purpose of a CDL school is to teach you the bare minimum to pass the state CDL test, so the cheapest school you can find is the best choice. Your real training starts when you get hired on and go OTR with a company trainer.

    Most drivers will tell you that it is a good idea to work for a couple years as a company driver before going the o/o route. This business is cut throat with a steep learning curve, so it is very difficult for someone with no experience in the industry to jump right in to being an o/o and not losing your shirt.

    good luck
     
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  4. Wooly Rhino

    Wooly Rhino Road Train Member

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    You have asked a lot of different things and I know you are going to get different answers. So just add our opinions to your own experiences.

    1. Schooling. All a school teaches is how to pass your CDL. That is it. You will learn to operate a truck by doing so and that will take about 2 years. That is according to the insurance industry. Most but not all companies start off by paying you below the going rate to offset the higher cost of insurance and the damage to the equipment you are going to do.
    A company sponsored school has the advantage of not costing you anything out of pocket. It also usually has an offer of employment included. I went to a community college. The cost was $2500. The same financial aid packages there as in other college courses. You should be familiar with that system. Pell grants and all.

    2. Buying a truck. I disagree with most of the drivers on this question. You right now have only a little idea of what is involved in trucking. That is a big negative against buying a truck. However, trucking is a business. Just like any other business. So it would be possible to buy a truck on day one and be successful. I have a very strong business background. I could have purchased a truck and started on day one. In my first three years, I totaled 2 trucks. I would not be in the trucking business now. I do not think I would want to be in the trucking business now. But that is me. You might be better at paying attention to the speed which you are driving then I was. You might be a better natural driver then I am. You might actually care about little trees, stop signs, and fire hydrants that seem to jump into your trailer. I do now. But when I first started I only knew they were there after I ran over them.
    If you do buy a truck and trailer, buy brand new equipment. The big companies do that. They do it for a reason. I will not go into it here because it going to get a lot of folks who think they know better all fired up. Ask a tax lawyer. Also, unless you know how to fix a truck buying something that is in excellent condition is a better bet then something that someone else was trying to get rid of.

    Lastly and it should have been firstly, join OOIDA. I recommend a newbie take their webcourses if you are wanting to do this without working for someone else. Both the 2013 and 2014 classes. Google to find the website.

    Chinatown will give you a list of companies with good company sponsored training. I am betting one of those companies will be Mills Transfer.

    Good luck and feel free to ask any question. The advice here is worth almost 3 times what you pay for it.
     
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  5. hiii98

    hiii98 Light Load Member

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    thank you for much for your well though out reply. I hope others contribute there experience and advice as well. If you were me from what I gather, your advising to go to the school, pay my lumps (5k from the schools financing...which sounds shady...) drive to class each day, put in my 4 weeks, graduate and then hopefully a company will have around a $5,000.00 hire on bonus which would alleviate the costs of school? I would not be indentured to any company as they only distribute this money in segmented sums over a period of time, so even if I was to quit, I would not owe them back pay.

    A big part of my intrigue regarding becoming a trucker is to go to other parts of America and to spend a day there relaxing and enjoying the scenery. I was told that only owner operators have this luxury. My background (Despite failing my lattest business) is business, I have owned various business for the past 15 years and my brother is a diesel mechanic. I just don't want to make a mistake by buying a truck if you guys with experience advise against it, but its imperative I get to somewhat go on my own schedule at times. I'm fine living on the road nonstop
     
  6. hiii98

    hiii98 Light Load Member

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    if you have an advanced degree/degrees you cannot apply for a Pell grant.

    Thank you! I'm old enough now that I'm no longer bull headed and readily agree that the advice will save me a significant amount of problems later on. THANKS

    I'm not sure what that is OOIDA? I haven't come across this yet, but I'm still very green. Also my plan would be to own a truck but to work for another company for a while. Possibly after 2-3 years I would do my own operation. My brother is a diesel mechanic and has done it for almost 15 years.


    as I was typing earlier Millis Transfer called about putting me into school. they said I can only attend their school (1 hour away) and the total cost is $5,000. They will pay it all but take $2,500 from my paycheck , and if I put I will owe the full 5K. Also said new drivers make 40-45k and did not sound too keen on letting me bring a family member with. I want driving to be a lifestyle change for me that also pays. I enjoy doing a job and being efficient about it, but hate being told the small nuances of cant do this or that (non safty related demands...which is why the operator scenario seems appealing...but perhaps reality is its a financial pit..with no real more real freedoms attached to it)
     
  7. Wooly Rhino

    Wooly Rhino Road Train Member

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    First the bonus is not paid to you in a lump sum. It is a carrot that is held out to you. Companies that offer bonuses take what they should be paying you all along and hold it out of your check and then give it back to you over time.

    The plan that will provide you the most chance of success but is not based on any particular skill set that we do not know you have is to

    1. Join OOIDA.

    2. Go to a low cost community college for training or do your training at a company sponsored school provided it is a school that Chinatown (our local expert) has recommended to you.

    3. Take the OOIDA courses on how to be an Owner Operator. Do that while working for a company and letting them provide you the experience that you will need to safely operate a commercial vehicle.

    4. When you understand the term "Your own Authority" apply for it.

    5. Start shopping for a truck and trailer. Buy new if you can. Buy quality used if not. Cheap isn't where you make money. SBA loans are a good sources of financing. Keep a good business relationship with your bankers.

    6. Figure out your lanes. Figure out where you will find your freight. That should be in your business plan when you apply for a SBA loan.

    7. Forget about the romance of trucking. There isn't any. There is this little waitress at the cracker barrel in Atlanta but she is mine.

     
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  8. MsJamie

    MsJamie Road Train Member

    That's not the case with the company schools I've investigated, so be sure to check before you commit. I went through Swift Academy, and was not obligated to sign with them.

    A better route is to attend the school that is sponsored by the company you want to work for...
     
  9. Stormdriven

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    The OOIDA is the Owner Operator Independent Driver Association. Good organization, I am a member.

    You have a legitimate MS degree ? Something in Management or Operations would seam more...fitting.
     
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  10. 8thnote

    8thnote Road Train Member

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    It is true that no company can MAKE you work for them. But if you go thru the company school then bail, you will be on the hook for the whole cost of the training. And from what I've seen, it's usually much higher than if you went to a private 3rd party school.
     
  11. hiii98

    hiii98 Light Load Member

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    so my goal is to be independent on the road yet working for another company. also at this point my goal is not to incur any more debt ... so that I can actually buy a truck. I have 20k to my name and school wants 5k of it. can you please be more specific on step 2. Thank you for laying out some life course direction for me. I want to get from point a (nowhere at the moment) to being a independent trucker (either owner or working for a companionate flexible company that allows me *some liberal freedoms on scheduling). Right now my biggest hurdle is schooling. The course starts next Monday and I'm already accepted (surprise surprise...) I want to start out on the right foot from start to finish, wherever or however that might be.

    Thanks!
     
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