Double Yellow's Company Driver to Independent Thread

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by double yellow, Nov 5, 2014.

  1. double yellow

    double yellow Road Train Member

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    @Accidental Trucker touched on it -- but basically yes, your business should earn a return on the money it invested. For example, my business has locked-up:

    $15,000 (15 year-old tractor)
    $20,000 (2-year old trailer)
    $15,000 (cash reserves)
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    $50,000

    That's money I own, but can't use elsewhere. Now if I could earn a 10% return by investing (for example, in stocks, bonds, a rental home, loaning money to another small business, etc), then it costs me $5,000 every year in lost opportunity to tie that money up in my business. So instead of saying I netted $55K, I should really say I netted $50K in my trucking business and maintained the $5K return on that $50K investment I could have earned elsewhere (income I would have earned doing no work).

    Worse, equipment usually is worth less with age. My tractor is pretty well depreciated, but my trailer will probably lose at least ~$2,000 in value over each of the next few years. So the money my business earned goes from $55K, to $50K, and now to $48K.

    And even that isn't fair -- because I'm not separating the cost of my labor from my business profits. In my mind, a business "profits" only what the owner could earn doing very little actual work. For instance, If I hired a driver to work those 5 months, it would have cost at least $25K. So now my business profit is $23K.

    My bank account still grew by $55K because I'm the one who earned that $5K interest, the $25K in driver wages, the $23K in business profit, and because I paid that $2K in depreciation upfront when I purchased the trailer.

    Yeah, that F2F debacle set you back this year, but its good to see you and @mp4694330 find a good home & switch trailers to move more consistent freight. Early on @RedForeman tried to teach me the wisdom of the reefer -- that is, people always have to eat -- but I'm stubborn and pick up things slowly.

    I do think spot market van guys waste a lot of their year spinning their wheels. For instance, if I wanted to go back to work today, I'd be looking at $1.21 to get back to the midwest which is a lot of work for no real gain. I mean look at the road conditions on Donner -- I'd literally be spinning my wheels:
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    But rates are nearly doubled during the peak 3-1/2 months. If that isn't enough work, the last week of the month always seems to have a decent rate spike too. I just need to find something productive to do with all that time off.


    I'll get there one of these days. But for now, I take some comfort in the fact I tarped just a little less than you ;)
     
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  3. mastllc

    mastllc Medium Load Member

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    dy have you ever thought about finding your own direct customer, or maybe a regular lane for a broker or a group of brokers?
     
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  4. Terry270

    Terry270 Road Train Member

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    Yeah I'm with you it drives me crazy that I have 60k tied up in equipment. But what do you do? It's either that or give away thousands more per year in interest and insurance right?
     
  5. tommymonza

    tommymonza Road Train Member

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    The way I have been looking at trucking the whole time the last 2 years is exactly what you are doing now DY.

    You will never get rich in it. But if you pick and choose and are happy with a Stressless 50 K a year, it beats a real job.

    Got to have cheap good equipment though.
     
  6. double yellow

    double yellow Road Train Member

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    I have and I do often run the same loads out of and into Reno, NV. But I'm not willing to commit to a defined schedule (that sounds too much like a job to me). And I'm prevented by CARB rules (and my unwillingness to become compliant) from doing more than 1000 miles/year in my home state.

    I have taken some time to look for property around Eastern Tennessee (Knoxville to Bristol), but my enthusiasm for the area was dampened when I discovered how bicycle-unfriendly most of the surface streets are and that they still have blue laws (can't buy that smooth Tennessee whiskey on a Sunday?!).

    The State of Jefferson movement has also been picking up speed -- today all but 2 counties in the northern 1/3 of the state have formally declared their desire to leave California:

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  7. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    Depends on your definition of rich. If i worked full time i would net over 100k. Doesn't take a lot of years to turn that type of income into serious money if you don't blow it all. Sure it isn't Rockefeller money, but it's enough that if you are smart, you will never go without anything you need, and have enough left over to buy most of what your want.

    I'm gonna be 40 this year. My house is paid for and i don't worry about where the money will come from to put my kids through college. Like dy, i only worked about 5 months last year and not once did i worry about having enough money. So while i might not be rich, not to many 40 year old guys can say that they have no worries about money.
     
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  8. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    Hey @double yellow whiskey has a long shelf life. Just keep two bottles in the pantry then it won't matter that you cant replace it on sunday.
     
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  9. ReeferOhio

    ReeferOhio Medium Load Member

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    Little off topic, but if you like bourbon and the 51st state you should try a bottle of Jeffersons Reserve. Little pricy but totally worth if you like bourbon straight. I prefer a couple ice cubes. I hired a driver this year made the same amount of money as last year personally, and company did much better. I drove one maybe two days a week. Not gonna lie little bored bought another truck for myself.
     
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  10. whoopNride

    whoopNride Road Train Member

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    That brings back memories from my young N dumb days. You couldn't buy liquor or beer on Sunday. We would buy extra on Saturday afternoon for a trip to the drag races on Sunday. Never worked out, we would drink it all and be slobbering drunk at 3am Sunday morning and still didn't have any for the afternoon drag races. Good Times!!!
     
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  11. tommymonza

    tommymonza Road Train Member

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    Rich is a state of mind.

    My father , always the entrepreneur from the age of 12, taught us kids it's not how much money you make.
    It's how much money you keep, and most importantly how much free time you have to enjoy life.
     
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