The engine plate is stamped NTC300. I think that means Big Cam III, but correct me if I'm wrong, I'm new to all of this.
The arenoid diaphram is connected to the pump, on the block side of the pump, and is connected with a small line from the intake manifold.
I'm comparing it to my buddies 600 CAT on propane...not really I'm just kidding. I know this thing is less than half that motor.
Even empty at 26,000 lbs. it will take me three miles flat footed shifting at 2,000 rpm to get to 70 mph. Medicineman, I've been shifting at 2,000 rpm, in the next gear that usually drops the rpm's to 1,500. Are you saying I need to wrap it up a little higher before I shift?
I replaced all the fuel lines last night to check that possibility off of the list. There is an injector pump shop about an hour from where I live. The old man that works there would like me to bring the pump in so he can check the flow and pressure of the pump. While I'm there I'll just have him replace that diaphram like stranger said.
I've got a lot of tools and knowledge about smaller motors, I used to be an automotive mechanic. A friends dad has a compression tester for this thing. How would I check the compression? Also, how involved is it to run an overhead?
Thanks a million guys! I'm learning more about this thing every day!
Big Cam Cummins has low power
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Luckycowdog, Sep 17, 2008.
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O yeah, I forgot to tell you that this thing won't blow any smoke at all. It should at least puff a little even if it hasn't been turned up, right?
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as found in another thread on here
http://www.dieselinjection.net/frames.html
by looking at what makes them go better, should give you an idea of what might make them go worse..
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2k isn't bad.. you can take that motor to 2300 but I wouldn't go over that. they like to cruise about 1700.. much higher then new motors because they have so much less torque. the big cam is a 1350 pounts of torque if I remember right compared to the 1800 to 2000+ pound that 600 cat has.
the NTC300 means it's a 300 horse MTC(big cam) take a picture of both side of it and post it. If it is a big cam the three covers on the drivers side of the block arelike 6" tall and I think say big cam. But like I said mine is a bigcam II if yours is original it's a BC I or small cam. if it's replaced it could be anything. get the ESN number off that engine tag and I'll run it for ya.
check out this site http://www.freewebs.com/nevrenufhp/index.htmLuckycowdog and Baack Thank this. -
by the way. my motor was also originally a 300. its been rebuilt to 400hp specs. MANY of the parts are all the same but the 300 has higher compression pistons then the 400 so it's not as easy as swaping the pump turbo and injectors.
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My bet is still on the diaphragm. I have seen it too many times.
Another thing, unless you have what Cummins used to call the Formula engine, then the rpm range is between 1700-2100, meaning don't go under 1700 when pulling hard. Most people shimmed the pump to 2200-2300 for power and speed.
If someone has been messing with the pump, and you do have a big cam as opposed to a small cam (the cam follower plates below the fuel pump are appx 3" tall on small cam and appx 6" tall on big cam), then you can set the AFC valve to give more fuel, assuming it is working right to begin with.
Remove the throttle arm from the throttle shaft sticking out of the pump. Pull back the top of the riveted on aliminum plate that surrounds the throttle shaft, assuming it is not already gone. There you will see an allen head screw with a lock nut on it. Loosen up the lock nut and turn the screw out about two rounds.
This will give much faster throttle response and will cause smoke when changing gears. If someone has been messing with the pump they could have turned the screw all the way in, and this can cause your problem.
Do not go too much with the screw or you will cause too much black smoke and rattle upon acceleration, plus it makes the throttle touchy, which can make smooth gear changes harder.
Once you get the other problem straightened out you can play with the settings to get the throttle response you want.
The big cam 300 has an aftercooler like the 350 and 400. A 290 has a three legged intake with no aftercooler. This intake looks like the old 250 intake. A small cam engine will have the smaller cam followers and will have the old style pump that may or may not have an external AFC valve mounted under the aftercooler, plus the cover surrounding the throttle shaft will be held on with a large snap ring. No need to take this off, for there is nothing there you can do to help yourself.
The newer big cam pump will have the letters PT stamped into most, if not all of them.
Change the AFC diaphragm first. It is cheapest and quickest, and most likely to be your problem, unless you have not changed the fuel filters, which should have been the first thing you did.1989 Pete, Luckycowdog and Baack Thank this. -
Hey Medicine man, those were good old engines, hell I go back to the old 220s and 318s, and that is like resurrecting the dead. Hey dont be too hard on the young technicians they just havent had to opportunity to work on a lot of the old engines. The new ones are so much more efficient, fuel economy, reliability, and power is just so much better. Once we went to ECM controlled fuel systems and injectors the whole world changed, and it isnt ever going to go backwards. My wrenching days are done, even sold most of my tools. So Im going to take the time to learn to be a real driver and run OTR for a while and see something other than the inside of a shop. But thanks for the complement.
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It does say PT on the pump, also it says big cam on the block. I did notice that the screw you're talking about behind the cover is flush with the lock-nut. I'll get the ESN # and some pictures up soon so you guys can hopefully tell what motor I have. I'm taking the pump to the shop tomorrow afternoon where they can put it onto their pump dyno. I'm going to have them put a new diaphram in it no matter what, like stranger suggested. Hopefully they can find something wrong with it. We're right in the middle of corn harvest and I'm losing just over a grand a day with it sitting. Thank you all! I will keep you informed as to what I find out. Wish me luck!
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I hope that link to the Low Buck fuel rate site worked out. I havent worked on a Big cam....yet, but that's my site. It told me there was a link from this page, so I thought I might stop in to say hi. Hope it's not missing anything, besides pictures. I can get some if I had a willing participant near me.
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