Did freightliner intentionally set out to make a crappy automatic transmission?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by ravaughn, May 9, 2017.

  1. ravaughn

    ravaughn Light Load Member

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    I have a 2017 cascadia evo with the 400HP DT, it only has 1600 miles on it because I just got it new. Literally it still had plastic wrapping on the seats and everything.
    Missed out on getting a 2018 by like 1 month, they just got the first shipment in today ><.

    My truck doesn't change shifting behavior according to weight, it only changes what gear it starts in.
    It will skip shift the exact same way loaded as it does empty.
    It drives like it has been programmed for light loads.
     
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  3. Redtwin

    Redtwin Road Train Member

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    Manually downshift to a lower gear when it struggles through a corner like you are experiencing. I know it will up shift again, but if the engine is under heavy load it will hold the lower selected gear for longer than usual. That is if it's working properly.
     
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  4. Brandt

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    Maybe something is turned off in the programing. My DT-12 will adapt to the weight and hill. On a big hill it won't downshift until it reaches 1600 RPMs. In low gear it will turn on the engine brake between gears so it does not miss the lower gear when downshifting. I have 2017 and DD13 engine.

    I've pulled into loves truck stop with huge uphill in the driveway. It will go to 1700 rpm and not shift going up the driveway because it so steep. Then at top it will shift like normal again. That's pulling van with 44,500 in the trailer.
     
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  5. Brandt

    Brandt Road Train Member

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    When I'm driving around the truck stop 1-4 gear it shifts at low RPMs and if you listen you can hear the engine bake coming on to slow the engine so it can grab the next gear.

    If I'm at stop light and put it to the floor second gear will go to 1700 rpm then to grab the next gear it also turned on engine brake to slow the engine down. Then still have pedal to the floor. It will shift 4-12 gears at only 1400rpm or the lowest it can and still get the next gear.

    My truck has the old Detroit Diesel Optimized idle system. It can even to a parked regeneration automatically if o turn on the Idle Management/Optimized idle system.
     
  6. ravaughn

    ravaughn Light Load Member

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    Mine will shift at 1300 regardless. Hill, weight? Honey badger don't care.
    The only time it shifts at higher than 1300 is when its skip shifting, then its like 2000 every time.
    Its weird because even when you try to avoid making it go to 2000+, it will wait a bit and then rev it to 2000 anyways and then shift.
    If you interupt the skip shifting binge it goes through when you start from a dead stop by downshifting manually, it will start shifting 1 gear at a time at 1300. If you let it go above 1300 before it starts autoshifting again, it will skip shift to the second gear after the current gear even if that puts it at 600rpm.
    seriously, there is no end to the torture this transmission puts me through.
    The worse part is when you do a rolling stop at a red light that turns green because it doesn't even downshift to the correct gear until 4 seconds after you push the throttle. I once had it try to start moving again in 7th gear loaded and it almost stalled the engine. I press the brake and quickly go to Neutral and back to make it start over as a work around.

    You wont believe what I saw in the brochure though, it says that eco mode skip shifts through all of the lower gears because racing to the high gears saves fuel.
    Most of the brochure is worthless though since everything is disabled. I should just take a marker and black out all of the pages except 2.
     
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  7. nax

    nax Road Train Member

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    None taken...I live by KISS rule too...after years in IT programming and getting burnt out

    Cold engines dont like EB?...or EB delays the motor from reaching optimum operating temp sooner?

    The cascadia EB is kinda quiet. It's not "full blown, look-at-me, jake-ing ballz-out" like them old school petes


    For the 1st time, You are incorrect (see? I did not say you are wrong)

    I believe that the engineers had a reason to allow 30mph cruise. I use it to moderate truck speed in country roads, not in-town. Also, my foot never leaves the "ready" position wrt to braking

    LOL...point taken
     
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  8. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    I can accept corrections believe it or not when I am wrong. No worries.

    Have a great day be safe out there.
     
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  9. Ridgeline

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    Wow after 57 posts, the one thing that the op didn't mention is if he told someone above him, like a drivers manager that the truck seems to be a problem.

    Not to be mean or nasty, this isn't an issue of the truck, it is an issue with the company and if the truck doesn't work right then find out how to change it instead of assuming it can't be.
     
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  10. JReding

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    I know this has been touched on a little, but I would like to expand on it; unfortunately, it seems trucks are being built with the all too easy ability for companies to "customize" engine and transmission performance. And unfortunately, a lot of companies are getting their trucks spec'd by bean counters and what I call "cubicle dwellers" instead of anyone who has ever seen the underside of a truck hood.

    A perfect example is Penske. Like many smaller fleets, we lease through them. It's actually a pretty good deal for us. The downside is that Penske has penchant for dialing back the power in their trucks, and with the automatics, it compounds the problem. I happen to like my DT12, however I'm not a big fan of Penske dialing a motor that is capable of 505 hp (DD13) down to 350 hp, which is where our trucks are set. However, in our case they were smart enough to leave all of the DT12 features operational. From what I can gather, some companies are limiting their drivers' ability to use those features by disabling the manual modes, whether those trucks are company owned or leased. That is the problem. The transmission itself is fully capable of handling a full load, assuming the parameters of both the engine and tranny are not restricted so much.

    We have asked Penske to change certain parameters at various times; some they have complied with, others they are resistant. We were able to get them to drop the RPMs before the engine brake peters out on our older manual trucks (which we just recently traded in); before, they had the engine brakes cut out below 35 mph. A couple of us drivers made our appeal to our management, who then went to Penske. Per our request, Penske changed the parameters so that we could keep the engine brake on all the way down to about 10 mph.

    If they get enough drivers to start complaining, maybe they'll listen, maybe not.
     
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  11. ravaughn

    ravaughn Light Load Member

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    I brought the truck to freightliner. We even have a fl guy paid to sit at rhe terminal and deal with the transition to autos.
    No solution so far.
    I dont think they even take my problem seriously.
    My only options are to beg them for a 10 speed or quit.
     
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