Waiting to load and unload hos

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  1. joesmoothdog

    joesmoothdog Heavy Load Member

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    If I'm playing a game on my phone I am off duty. (unless I'm driving) :biggrin_25512:
     
  2. Chinatown

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    The problem with "Off Duty", as you know, is that means you have no responsibility for the truck or trailer. That's why I show "Sleeper Berth"; don't want the DOT slamming me for a false log. They can't prove whether you're in the sleeper berth or not, but they can prove if you were really off duty, simply by calling your company and asking if you were relieved of all responsibilities for the truck during the period you logged. This might sound nit-picky, but it has happened. An owner-operator doesn't have this problem, but a company driver does.
     
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    well might make sense but I haven't had the privilege of driving a company truck since they screwed up the rules again
     
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    I show "yard move" from gate to gate, which puts me on line 4 and keeps me there as I move wherever I need to go...then before I pull away from the guard shack on my way out, I go back to line 3. Log grid looks identical to the way it used to look on paper, except not in blocks rounded to 15 min increments. Daycab, no sleeper...so line 2 isn't an option.

    If you're trying to save hours, line 2 is where you should be...not released from duty, but not counting against your hours. Plus, if you get 8 hours there, you can split if needed.
     
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    razor1983 Medium Load Member

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    You can be off duty too, if they ask you why, tell them you were in the break room while they worked the load
     
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    This is where a good labor lawyer would find a gold mine, are drivers responsible for truck, trailer and load requiring to long on duty? And really not getting paid for burning time? Slavery was supposed to be abolished years ago..another story fed the sheep.
     
  7. BrandonCDLdriver

    BrandonCDLdriver Road Train Member

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    With all due respect I don't really see how this could happen.

    If the DOT would call Ozark they would say they have no idea what the driver was doing during that time period. If I log off duty time and I'm not doing anything job related, I'm off duty. My company would never answer that question because they don't know what I'm doing at the time. Nor do they care.
     
  8. Buckeye 60

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    and the dot doesn't care either
     
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    What Is Considered Off Duty Time?
    By understanding the definition of on duty time, you will get a good idea of what is considered off duty time. In order for time to be considered off duty, you must be relieved of all responsibility for performing work and be free to pursue activities of your own choosing.
     
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    So keeping a eye on the dock light to know when you are free is on duty time?