Working around the ELD mandate

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  1. Hurst

    Hurst Registered Member

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    I lie so I can work less hours and still get the job done.

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  3. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I don't live on the road, I could be at home more, but for the rules designed for the OTR segment to try and push them to a more normal sleep and wake cycle, the rules don't work well for irregular route and jit refrigerated. I haul live birds on occasion but mostly refrigerated, this mandate has picked my pocket in many different ways, mainly cross docking and taking away the long distance runs where we did make money, we got a bunch of runs after the mandate went into effect because those carriers wanted a better rate, now that those carriers got that, they take all of them. We get good accessorial pay, but the cross docking has dried that up, too. A side effect is product returns for improper temperature control, and then adaptions for that which increase time waiting. It's a mess.

    We didn't do California, a team company took those, although we occasionally help them out relaying to them. The New York stuff is mostly covered by regulars, ours and outside. I get there once in awhile.
     
  4. MBAngel

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    Maybe this law was lobbied for by insurance carriers who were tired of paying out damages based on definitions of "fatigue" that varied depending on who was doing the judging in liability cases. They certainly have the power to push megas into lobbying for them. If you were a driver who lost his livelihood based on a blatantly biased definition of fatigue, you'd also be in favor of a clear defnition. There have probably been many cases tied up in rounds of appeals because of those definitions. And yes, Megas have the most opportunity to pay those damages, so, I'd imagine they'd want a clear definition. They also have to pay the insurance that goes up with every fatigued driver accident. Then there are the loved ones of those killed or injured by fatigued drivers. These HOS rules have been around in some form or another since 1938, well before most of us were even born, let alone driving. If you honestly believe these laws need to be changed, support the groups lobbying against them, like OOIDA.
    But if you break the laws while they are laws, be prepared to lose your license. It's the law. And I, for one, would rather not drive with fatigued drivers on the road. The HOS are there to keep carriers from forcing us to work when we are dangerous. They are 24 hours for a reason - to help keep us mentally alert, and keep us on natural rhythms. The eld is to help us keep track of those records, saving us time in our record keeping. It stops drivers who would otherwise lie and cheat from doing that, causing deaths and fines and damages. No one ever said you couldn't stop and take a nap if you, as a responsible driver, knew you were tired. But a 14 hour day is about all the time a human being can be "on duty" before their performance and attention drops to dangerous levels. That info is based on actual studies and data. Not "alternative" facts.. real ones.
     
  5. zinita17601

    zinita17601 Road Train Member

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    Megas are self insured
     
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  6. MBAngel

    MBAngel Medium Load Member

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    Even more reason for them to be in favor of defining "fatigued" and reducing fatigue related deaths and damages...
     
  7. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    Wow you guys ...

    I guess if we were like the telephone companies, many would fight to keep phones with strings on them and having to ring the operator to place a call or hear our ring to know someone is calling us.

    Eld is progress, it is not something concocted to get rid of owners or get rid of competition but put in place as part of the modernization of the Industry. We accept load boards, brokers and processing our paper work through the internet and computers but hell we yell, scream and act like children when we have to account for our hours of service through a computer. Maybe we need to go back to the way it was, a better regulated competive system when an authority took months just to get through the paper work and approval where insurance was sent through the mail and took two weeks to 18 days to get to us and then we have to send it to the ICC.

    How about it, want to go backwards?
     
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  8. pmdriver

    pmdriver Road Train Member

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    If they really serious about unclogging the roads and safety they would be tracking these loads ,suggest a stop on the way so driver can pull right into the dock, all bol sent electronically to dock, then when finished transmitted back. The dock time should never exceed 2 hours and next meal is digestible. dream big
     
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  9. Studebaker Hawk

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    Work around it all you want. Have an accident. There are many ways to determine your precise location with or without an ELD. The very first falsification gets you in trouble. A pattern gets you in jail. You won't be able to even find a decent lawyer to defend you.
    Now do you want to falsify?
     
  10. pmdriver

    pmdriver Road Train Member

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    Why not, most everything else you see anymore is false, look at our leaders, they thrive on false. Should we not act just like them?
     
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  11. Hurst

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    They are just going to have to catch me. I value my sleep and personal time more than I care what they think should be my driving time vs my rest time.

    I am a grown man,.. I know when I am tired. I know when I should be driving. I'm not letting a record of duty status dictate how I need to do my job safely.

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