Can you disable KeepTruckin location for off duty?

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  1. Espressolane

    Espressolane Road Train Member

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    Use off duty, Personal conveyance. Don’t worry about what your location shows. You are off duty, what you choose to do during that time is up to you. You could use uber, lyft or taxi. Should that not be an option, you certainly can use your tractor. It is your tractor.
     
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  3. Lyle H

    Lyle H Road Train Member

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    Please post the regulation number that requires that.
     
  4. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    One of two things are happening. One is you are running an aobr. Two is your eld is not compliant.
    Without knowing more I can't say which.

    Here are the regs stating an eld cannot log more accurately than about 10 km. The actual wording is "rounded to a single decimal place of resolution"
    eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations

    (b) During a period when a driver indicates authorized personal use of CMV, the ELD must:

    (1) Record all new ELD events with latitude/longitude coordinates information rounded to a single decimal place resolution; and

    (2) Omit recording vehicle miles and engine hours fields in new ELD logs by leaving them blank, except for events corresponding to a CMV's engine power-up and shut-down activity as described in section 4.5.1.6 of this appendix.

    Here is an explanation of lat/long resolution and the accuracy of one decimal place.
    Decimal degrees - Wikipedia

    Now that does, of course, only apply to driving pc. Driving on-duty all data is recorded and the driver is sol on the privacy front.
     
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  5. Expeditor

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    Read 10
    Regulations Section
     
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  6. Expeditor

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    Just remember just because you never heard of it doesn't mean It doesn't exist.
     
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  7. Expeditor

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    I'm out. Back to the drive line.
     
  8. Lyle H

    Lyle H Road Train Member

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    Examples are: bills of lading, carrier pros, freight bills, dispatch records, electronic mobile communication/tracking records, gate record receipts, weight/scale tickets, fuel receipts, fuel billing statements, toll receipts, toll billing statements, port of entry receipts, cash advance receipts, delivery receipts, lumper receipts, interchange and inspection reports, lessor settlement sheets, over/short and damage reports, agricultural inspection reports, driver and vehicle examination reports, crash reports, telephone billing statements, credit card receipts, border crossing reports, custom declarations, traffic citations, and overweight/oversize permits and traffic citations. Supporting documents may include other documents which the motor carrier maintains and can be used to verify information on the driver’s records of duty status. If these records are maintained at locations other than the principal place of business but are not used by the motor carrier for verification purposes, they must be forwarded to the principal place of business upon a request by an authorized representative of the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) or State official within 2 business days.
     
  9. Expeditor

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    Lyle H, As a carrier you must audit the paper logs that were sent to you by the drivers, which had to be sent to you within 13 days, the original that is. The carrier had to make sure that those logs were accurate and not falsified. The only way to do that was to use supporting documentation as listed above. Now if you had 1,000 drivers or even 500 drivers you would have a mountain of paperwork, too much for safety director to keep on his desk. Many companies made a ton of money just auditing for big carriers. The supporting documents that you used to verify the logs should be on site, so a DOT official can look at it if he needed to, the other paperwork was probably warehoused somewhere off site. So if the DOT official was not satisfied with what you had on site then you had 2 days to present the other supporting documentation. Remember this applies to a carrier, not a driver or O/O leased on to a carrier. As a driver your company already has all of the records, you sent them your logs every week, the fuel comes from a card which they administer, if they pay tolls you have to send them the receipt to get reimbursed, if truck breaks down they pay and have the paperwork, when truck gets maintenance the same. As O/O working under someone else authority, the same thing as above applies. As a O/O working under his/hers authority they would have the records in house to support the tax write offs.
     
  10. Lyle H

    Lyle H Road Train Member

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    I fall into the category as "owning my own truck but leased to a carrier running under his authority."
    I also have my own fuel card, pay my own tolls, and only submit my logs to him on a weekly basis.
    If he gets audited ,then I am under obligation to submit any other supporting documents that I have within 2 days.
    My only reason for questioning you was this statement you made in an earlier post.:

    "Remember for O/O that are leased to a carrier. You must send in your toll recites, fuel and all maintenance on that truck. Not everyone does it but that is a requirement to run a carrier under FMCSA."

    It wasn't entirely accurate and I wanted to try to clear up any confusion.
    Thank you.
     
  11. Expeditor

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    Lyle H, short answer yes, legally, but wait....That is his/hers responsibility to tell you. You just comply with what he/she has in your contract. disclaimer, this is my opinion.....I would only give them what they have asked for or in contract. Technically yes you must submit fuel receipts, tolls, either repair bills or maintenance reports, either monthly or quarterly, carrier will dictate that. Especially fuel receipts if they are doing your IFTA, you can do IFTA as a O/O if you so desire, it is a pain sometimes but nice to know how to do it and cheaper. Last quarter I paid 6 dollar for the quarter. Usually a carrier will have someone else do IFTA for them and if they don't fill out in time IFTA will charge a late fee. Ive heard people paying up to 175 dollars a quarter. The paper trail or supporting documents falls on the carrier, if you are on paper logs you must send them in weekly, if a DOT official notices you have more than 13 days of ORIGINAL, logs he can write you up. You are required to have 8 days and they don't have to be original, copies will do. The carrier needs the receipts to verify your logs, again that's the carrier responsibilities not yours. Don't sweat it, just give them what they ask for and no more. If something happens you should not get in trouble if you can't or won't produce those records because you are not responsible for that part of record keeping, the carrier is. Again my
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    Edit: With ELD being used now I wonder if this will change since technically the logs will be self certified, that is the ELD will record the trucks movement and location automatically so in reality that does not have to be verified by the carrier. I guess will see, but again that's a carriers responsibility.
     
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