Super Heavy Haul Costs

Discussion in 'Heavy Haul Trucking Forum' started by Juno123, May 21, 2019.

  1. Juno123

    Juno123 Bobtail Member

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    Somewhat- there are a few ways to do this. Again, this would be an area where I would need some assistance. But a general rider on a $3,000,000 commercial value piece and the $60,000 transport insured as well would run you apprx $2,900 per move to paint a picture for you.

    I suspect (again- just a guess) a general cargo/ liability policy for this type of new operation would run us close to..idk...$75k/ $100k a year alone? This seems crazy high but the number of dedicated customers/ the volume we see already would support this.
     
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  3. Heavy Hammer

    Heavy Hammer Road Train Member

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    Anyone who's experienced and qualified to run a 19 won't work for you.
    I hope that is blunt enough for you, it's supposed to be.
    Guys who have this knowledge and skillset, also know what it takes to get the job done, and your proposal of employment shows that you don't, and they don't want to be part of a crew that makes the 5o'clock news as the lead story.
    These guys are professionals.
    Let me be clear Professionals, not ProAm, not posers, not Bravo Sierra.
    A Professional works at his craft daily to stay sharp, because Pro's understand that the edge is what separates them from the masses. A pro won't be distracted by 6axle busy work just so you can hang on to him. A Pro does HIS job, not someone else's.
    Why is it everyone thinks that they can just do what we do, and by we I don't mean trucking, I mean the WE that do this very specialized work?
    Because everyone drives to and from work and countless mundane tasks daily, it's taken for granted that this is easy.
    OP, you and I both typed messages on this forum, does that mean we are now qualified to be legal assistants or court stenographers?
    When my daughter was small and got sick, I made her chicken soup and gave her cough medicine, does that make me a doctor?
    I have had a few hearty disagreements with my teenage daughter and on this and other forums, does that make me a lawyer?
    I am extremely good at what I do. NO, that is not being ####y, it's because I am a Professional. My freight category that I operate in is not limited by my abilities, it is limited by personal choice alone. I have several standing offers to operate 13axles daily with 19axle opportunities. I have worked with 19's (NOT the lead hand), I am capable of working with them, I chose not to. That's who's giving you this advise, ignore it like all the other advise if you like, it's worth exactly what you paid for it.
    Your Plan/Idea is lacking, and from a Professional's point of view, stick with what you know and be very good at it, leave this particular piece of the operation to those who are very good at it.

    ...and your estimate of $1,000,000 is low. That might get you the trailer, but not the trucks. Depending on optional ancillary equipment requirements, you could be adding up to 50%. And these aren't freight trucks, they're specialized equipment, so add ~65-85%, depending, to the price of an atypical truck.
     
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  4. not4hire

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    All of that doesn't really change anything. You need experienced, competent people. The people you want are all working somewhere else. Why would they come to work for you? I've worked for and with Mammoet over the years. If I was choosing between Mammoet and Juno123's Heavy Haul where the ink isn't even dry on the business cards yet...

    I'm not saying don't start a business, if that's what you guys really want to do; people do it all the time. But if you're starting a business that is not part of your company's core competency, and your primary reason for doing it is to save a few bucks on sub-contractor/vendor costs, my prediction is you will likely fail miserably... especially if all you are doing is setting up a one truck operation. You will not have the infrastructure to generate enough revenue to support the business properly. I have seen the exact same thing happen in this and other industries numerous times.

    As for the idea of poaching good people? Again, the good ones are all busy somewhere else. You might get a few decently experienced people if you agree to pay them stupid money (which you can't support in your business model). You are going to need to put someone in charge and the likelihood of getting someone driven by ego to "run his own show because he isn't fully appreciated where he's at" is very high. However, are reasons that person is not advancing where they're at. I've seen it too many times to count.

    These aren't pallets of dog food you're hauling...
     
  5. not4hire

    not4hire Road Train Member

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    I just need to type faster. ;)
     
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  6. Heavy Hammer

    Heavy Hammer Road Train Member

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    Wish you woulda! Could a saved me a couple hours, ya know, stenographer I am n all:D
     
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  7. REO6205

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    Okay, lets look at this a different way.
    In spite of a lot of good advice you seem determined to go ahead with your plan.
    I don't know your status in the company and I don't need to know. If you go ahead with your plan and it fails...and it will fail...you'll forever be known as the guy who came up with the brilliant idea that cost the company a ton of money, didn't produce the desired results, and created corporate havoc at all levels.
    I've occasionally done the same thing at my company but on a much smaller scale. I made survivable mistakes.
    You may not be.
     
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  8. Old Man

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    Price a trailer from Diamond,xl, Tolbert or Aspen. Plan on a year to get it, used trailers are a big risk.
    You’ll need a couple of pickups for support, ie fuel and tires.
    If your driver you hire gets off route or does not get axle spacing and weight right in some states it could cost you 50 to 100k.
    Be prepared to get a full inspection each time you change police escorts, you could pile up the csa points and be out of business before it get it figured out.
    Oh, a new tractor to do the job will be $250k

    I say go for it, all you could lose is everything.
     
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  9. Western flyer

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    I don't see what all the fuss is all about.
    I see these super loads going down the
    Highway everyday.

    I see the driver drinking his coffee and
    Listening to the radio.
    Not a worry in the world.
    Looks like he's out for a Sunday drive.

    Any door slammer could pull it off. Lol.
     
  10. Landincoldfire

    Landincoldfire Heavy Load Member

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    Can we sell tickets to watch them back it up?
     
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  11. ichudov

    ichudov Heavy Load Member

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    Guys, I have a DUMB question. When I look at pictures of "19 axle" trailers, I see only 18 axles. Where is the 19th axle?

    And how do you back those things up??? looks scary to the uninitiated!

    PS I run on 5 axles. Looking to get into 6-7 at most.
     
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