The journey begins - purchased a truck.

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by blairandgretchen, Dec 10, 2014.

  1. RStewart

    RStewart Road Train Member

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    Well I usually stop for fuel every week when I leave out and your truck is kinda hard to miss. Lol.
     
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  3. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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  4. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    It will have one - runs coolant line from the engine to heat. No temp control, so watch your taps and your privates when showering:)

    Seems this year isn’t the best to launch . . .

    Well, you know it’s much less of a gamble when you can go into it cash heavy and low or zero debt.

    I look at the load board daily, but boy - it’s been dismal lately. I won’t run legal freight for what I did when I started, ($2.40 on the LS board), but my regular contacts have been hit and miss this last quarter.

    Just LOL. :)

    Rate cutting double dealing business owners!

    Hey, if it fits the trailer - roll with it.

    Good deal, another steak dinner to collect on! :)

    We’re not the brightest bulbs, but if we shed some light then I guess it’s all good.
     
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  5. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    I'll expand on that question, though others have just covered it.

    It's been almost 5 years now. 2015 was a low year for rates in trucking. I ran regular freight on the 53' flatbed and a dedicated contract for about 9 months that year. Generated good revenue - $185k odd, but at a sub-par RPM - $1.67 all miles.

    The 53' didn't really come into play that year. Side note, the amount of threads I see on flat trailer choice that deter an extra 5' of length amazes me. It's a deviation from standard. When a shipper REQUIRES 53' of space, or you can put 60' on one - whammo, you just popped your head above the herd. 2016 I found freight and developed relationships to better utilize that.

    The stretch trailer came from a failed 'promise', but opened up new possibilities. Increased RPM came with that.

    Unfortunately, and this is purely personal - I've become spoiled at the rate I've hauled for so far this year. It comes down to @Old Man 's mantra of 'More $, less miles'. As simple as it sounds, it's essentially where most want to be - but the down side is - that you only expect to remain there. A sugar high, basically.

    I've looked at the board all week, and nothing was of interest. A recently acquired agent contact called this afternoon and I agreed to the load, but I still think it should pay more.

    On the surface - looks good. $2,000 on the LS board on 109 miles. $18.34/mile. So let's break it down.

    14' wide. Steel. 42,000 lbs. Actual routed miles 160. After LS's cut, paying an escort $400 for the day, we're left with $1,195 to the truck. That's $7.46/mile TTT.

    140 mile dead head to get it, 160 miles loaded, 100 miles home. 400 miles total. $1,195 divided by 400 miles - $2.98/mile all miles, to the truck. Below the average for the year so far.

    $1,195 at this years profit/expense split of 65/35% - $776.75 personal income before taxes.

    I left tonight for a headstart, but the last one I knocked off in a 14 hour day. So $776.75 into 14 hours is $55.48/hour.

    I guess it's OK - a lot of folks in our area probably earn that in 2 weeks at a regular job, but for some reason I still think it should pay more.

    But then again, most folks in our area don't get to risk decapitating idiots and losing everything at their day jobs.

    Maybe I need a reality check - what do y'all think?
     
  6. Tug Toy

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    Keep asking for more.

    I know I always put upward pressure. Never beg for less.

    Just my opinion though.
     
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  7. REO6205

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    I think you're doing it right, no need for a reality check.
    You have a firm grasp of gross versus net. Some people don't, All they can see is that top line, the big number, and they forget about all the little extras that whittle away at it.
    When I bought into our little company the guy whose share I purchased told me something I never forgot. He said "Driving a truck is the easiest part of this business. The hard part is making sure you're making money while you're driving". He was right.
    Too many people chase miles and figure, without really checking, that if they're running hard they must be making money. Most times they're not. Oh, they're making a little money but they're not making what they think they are.
    We've developed niche markets and no longer depend on brokers or load boards or the spot market. It took us a long time to get to this point and knowing what it was costing us to do business was the key.
    We've developed a good customer base over the years but a lot of that was through trial and error. The error part cost us a lot of money sometimes.
    We're very small and we plan on staying small. We know right to the penny what it costs us to operate. We have to.
    We've been lucky with our drivers, shop crew, and office people. We were able to hand pick them from people we already knew...one of the advantages to living in a rural area...and we pay them good wages with benefits and bonuses. People usually stay here until they retire.
    The one fly in the ointment is the fact that we're based in California. Our customer base is here, we can't go to another state and start over. With each passing year this state becomes less friendly to truckers and small business in general. Because of the increased costs of operation, especially for regulatory compliance, our net profit has been declining every year. We could cut employee wages and benefits but that's a death spiral.
    What to do? I really think this next year will be our last. The other two owners and I are all in our seventies and none of us have children who are interested in the business.. Quite frankly, we've made our money and don't really need to be doing this any more.
    We've already had meetings with the employees about this. We'll probably offer the trucks to the drivers that want them with us acting as the bank.They know the customer base and we'll help them get started. A lot
    of them will probably just retire. The shop and the truck yard will be leased to the mechanic.
    That's the plan for now. Nobody up here has the bucks to buy the whole thing at once and the idea of selling to a mega turns my stomach. They wouldn't take care of the people who really built this business...the employees...and they wouldn't take care of the customers like we have.
    We live in a small town. A big company coming in here would never make it, not the way they do business.

    LOL...I guess this turned into a rant. Use what you can out of it and ignore the rest. That's what I'd do.
     
  8. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    Not a rant at all - a very concise explanation of a lot of experience. Thank you sir.
     
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  9. 1nicevette

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    Done deal steak on me if you come they Cheyenne i can meet and if you come thru Colorado along I25 you name the place and I will buy my friend. If you wait till summer I will pick you up in the vette Blair
     
  10. starmac

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    It is amazing how many people take what they think is a big money load then wonder where the money went before they delivered it.
    Back before I quit running back and forth to Alaska, the last couple of years, I don't know how many I ran into that ask how much further it was, complaining they had already used up all the load paid and still had a 1000 miles to go. lol
    My first trip was one heck of an education too with permits and such, but I lucked out and came out a little ahead, but when too many brokers started getting too many one time wonders, I finally quit running it.
     
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  11. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    Actually - there's a ton of points in there to reflect on.

    A poster on another thread PM'ed me with the comment "I made it through the first 2 pages of your thread, but I ain't got the time". I looked to see a 1,033 message count on the thread, and I kinda get it, but - in the internet age where you actually have access to years of experience, but you can't be bothered absorbing 2% of it before jumping in . . .

    It always bothered me that folks wouldn't share honest information. I applaud members who offer real figures - no matter at what level. I understand that some don't want to trade that information, but I became quickly tired of snippets and lunch counter stories. Show me and recite to me figures from months/years/averages/growth etc., without ego. We'll all learn. We should all know - like you say - down to the penny, where we're at.

    I saw an email today limiting me to a 1,000 mile exemption. The 3 day pass is gone. Previously this week the CAB5 (?) rule that will affect many LS guys residing in CA. I hear you on CA - the fact you've seen it erode at net profit gradually over the years speaks volumes.

    On the 'big number' front - I watched a couple of guys run 14' wides from SD to NV. Started with a $14k price tag on LS's board. Through various forms of mis management, one wound up with $1.50 all miles after DH to and from the job, the other not too much better. $8k to the truck for 2 weeks work and a bunch of miles, well - it's revenue, but it's not exactly profitable, depending on one's definition of that.

    Kudos to you for having run a successful operation for many years. Sad to hear that you're considering winding down operations - I wonder where the industry will head as a whole in years to come.

    The echo of 'finding good hands' is almost deafening these days. I ran a couple of hours with a guy that spreads lime, he was liming my field - same story - looking for a guy he could trust to run a chicken poop spreader, but nervous.

    My mechanic let 2 guys go and headed back into the shop after discovering his charge out to hours paid ratio was at 50% -not the 70% it needs to be to remain profitable. That, and the amount of re-work and warranty/wrecker bills to pay (because he's honorable).

    If I could clone myself I'd be into all kinds of things.

    I should probably focus more on maximizing myself.
     
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