If company drivers lost per diem what exactly does this mean

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  1. DAX_

    DAX_ Medium Load Member

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    I been doing research but still kind of confused.

    From February to the end of the year in 2019 I was on per diem after hiring on with Schneider.

    Now looking at my year end I got about $8,000 in per diem.

    Looking at some threads and videos people are saying company drivers(me) can no longer claim per diem as a deduction.

    Does that mean that we will owe and have to pay that per diem back?

    Another question, does taking per diem mean you don't get your tax refund?
     
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  3. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The per diem you receive from your employer is tax free and you do not have to pay it back. The per diem deduction that company drivers can no longer claim is something different and if you are not an independent contractor- O/O, L/O etc will not apply to your situation.
    Taking per diem has nothing to do with your tax refund. Hoe much you have withheld from your pay minus your tax liability will equal you refund amount.
     
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  4. JC1971

    JC1971 Road Train Member

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    Since we lost the daily allowance, is there any reason to download logs anymore?
     
  5. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    the words "per diem" are commonly used to describe different things. Per diem is something a company pays employees. Employees could, before 2016 tax reform, deduct their Meals & Incidental Expenses from their taxable income. A lot of people called the MIE "per diem" because the IRS would allow a flat-rate deduction per day. No receipts were required.

    That daily IRS deduction for meal and incidental expenses has gone away for company drivers.

    Companies can choose to pay company drivers a daily amount of untaxed money. That "per diem" continues but it no longer gives the driver a tax benefit like the pre-2016 taw rules allowed.
     
  6. DAX_

    DAX_ Medium Load Member

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    Thank you.

    So this only benefits l/o and o/o as far as taxes go.
     
  7. starmac

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    It benefits a company driver, or anybody if the company chooses to designate part of your pay as per diem, You do not have to pay tax on that amount.
    An oo can still take the per diem tax advantage off of his gross pay, where a company driver is not allowed to any more.
     
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  8. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Generally speaking, yes. At the same time your Standard Deduction was doubled from $12k to $24k, meaning the income that was not taxed, they also took away the tax incentive to claim certain miscellaneous expenses. You can still file the M&E paperwork and itemize deductions, but you will likely pay more tax by doing so. Remember, the earned income they put off-limits for income tax purposes was doubled. They non-tax the first $24k and "took away" your M&E benefit. I wonder how many taking the M&E deduction were taking $12k or more?
     
  9. rachi

    rachi Road Train Member

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    For the most part per diem benefits the company, not the driver. It allows the company to pay less for workmens comp, etc. Trust me, the company isnt doing per diem pay to help you out. Alot of drivers wont even work for a company that pays by perdiem.
     
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  10. DAX_

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    Why do drivers have an issue with the company doing something that benefits them as well? Do drivers think the company shouldn't try to make as much money as possible too
     
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  11. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Whether someone wants company per diem pay or not, should be the drivers decision. But some companies try to force it on everybody. There are also companies that pay per diem but charge an administrative fee. That is b.s. The companies save on their fica contributions, unemployment and workmans comp insurance and that some more than offset and minuscule amount they had to spend updating their payroll software to include per diem.
     
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