2015 Prostar J1939 Communication Issues

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  1. PhilBillyFord6.0

    PhilBillyFord6.0 Bobtail Member

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    Hello all, new to the forum, I have been using it recently and getting a lot of good information. Now I'm to a point I figured I may as well make a thread since I can't find what I need so far. I'm working on a 2015 International Prostar with the ISX 15 and Eaton Advantage 10 speed. Truck is having what feels like engagement issues, as though the clutch is intermittently engaging and disengaging unprompted. Has no active codes in Insite or Service Ranger, though has code 5297 logged on Insite, and codes; 13, 22, 36, 74, and an un-numbered code with the description "Engine/transmission match-bad intelligent device or component." Initially Began inspecting physical connections to the tecu and eca, no obvious faults in the harness or connectors. Checked clutch wear and fork adjustment, everything seems ok. Looked up code 5297 on Quickserve, advises of a tsb for this sort of problem with the programming for engine and trans not communicating properly. Unsure if any programming has been done recently that may have caused this. Began basic electrical checks to rule out issues, found the resistance across c and d of the dlc is fluctuating between 50 and 130 ohms, and the voltage is identical at c and d, 2.03 or so. Located Terminating resistors on top of trans and at the def tank, both good at roughly 120 ohms. Began disconnecting modules on the circuit to find where it would change to normal. Initially found the resistance would drop to normal after the truck powered down after key off for about 5-10 minutes. Found BCM has battery power, unplugged the tan j5 connector and resistance changed to normal. Tried putting a donor bcm on the truck no change. Began removing pins from j5 to see which ones caused the change, none found except pins f2 and f3, for j1939. Still no change. Removed all modules from circuit; ecmc, abs, tech, bcm, and both terminating resistors and I am still getting about 120 ohms at c and d. The only other module associated with this circuit is the predictive cruise module but the truck does not have a radar eye on the front and i believe predates Internationals system anyways. If anyone can provide any insight experiences or possible explanations, or point out what in doing wrong, I would greatly appreciate it.
     
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  3. Heavyd

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    Ok, I would start by pulling fuses one by one for any electronic module while watching your C to D resistance. Depending on the options ordered, on the 1939 you'll have the engine, trans, abs, body controller, cluster, compass module, tire pressure monitor, driver info display and front radar. So go through the back of the fuse panel cover and pull fuses for any of these and see what your resistance is and go from there. A common bad spot for the 1939 is right at the "Y" butt connectors between the main trunk and branch to the abs module which is located on the right side of the cab below the fuse panel mounted on the wall just above the floor. The butt connectors are very poorly done from the factory.
     
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  4. PhilBillyFord6.0

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    Gotcha, I'll try those things on Monday when I'm back in the shop. I was looking at the harness over on the passenger side but I hadn't cut it out yet. It's just so odd that there still resistance as though there is a resistor even though both are removed and all modules disconnected. Shouldn't it be open or low resistance?
     
  5. Heavyd

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    Ok, sorry, I re-read your post. The resistor by the DEF is for the engine private datalink for only the SCR stuff. Separate data link all together. The other terminating isn't always in the same place, but should be along the left frame rail under the cab somewhere sticking out of a main harness.
     
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  6. PhilBillyFord6.0

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    That is what I was thinking also, but I looked up and down the frame, to no avail. I'll have to search again.
     
  7. Heavyd

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    They can be hard to find.
     
  8. PhilBillyFord6.0

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    Ok, I have looked this truck up and down, removed panels, cut almost every zip tie, finally isolated the resistance to inside the cab, and i can still not find any other resistors.
     
  9. Gridelock

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    Did you ever figure out the J1939 communication issues i might have the same problem

    I owned 2015 international Prostar Cummins and with an automatic transmission. I have been fighting issue with electric fault on the dash every time the battery drains or if you let it sit for a week the Tcm would have to be programmed for the last 2 years money pit. Finally mid December when the tech hooks up the computer he was an able to see the Tcm . You can see the ecm and bcm but not tsm. He checked fuses all good. He thinks its the chassis harness, one of his other tech went through it didn't find anything. He suggested we need a new harness. 6 weeks to make it and $5400 for being not sure if its the problem.. any help or ideas. Thanks
    PS.. 2021 we replaced the TCM with a new one.
    2020 we replaced the harness that sits on the top of the transmission
     
  10. Inderjit

    Inderjit Medium Load Member

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    Replacing the harness would be a fairly labour intensive project.
    What fault codes are you getting?
    Has anyone tested the data link at the diagnostic port with a multi meter? With the key
    off measure between pins C and D with an ohm meter. The reading should be very close
    to 60 ohms. With the key off measure between pins C and A then D and A both readings
    should be infinite. Next with the key on measure between pins C and A and pins D and A
    the reading should be close to 2.2 volts with C and A just slightly higher than D and A.
    There are several power supply wires in the battery box that have fuses and connectors.
    Check for corrosion on them. Look inside the connectors for melting plastic housings.
    If you have any of the sealed connectors in the battery box with melted plastic housings
    splice the wires to get rid of the connectors including where the power supply harness
    connects to the chassis harness.
    One should be tagged for the transmission, disconnect it in the battery box and and cut
    the tie straps and pull it out and follow it to where it connects to the chassis harness.
    You are looking for worn or corroded spots. Load testing the power and ground pins at the
    TCU with a headlight might not hurt either.
     
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  11. Heavyd

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    I replied to your other thread, but I'll copy and paste here what I posted there so everyone can see;
    I would say you have bad main battery positive, ground, ignition or datalink feed to the TCU connector. Next time the TCU is not communicating, remove the OEM connector at the TCU and check the following;
    Pin 35 - ignition input (key must be on) 12volts
    Pin 38 - main battery positive 12 volts
    Pin 36 - main ground
    Pin 2 - 1939 datalink - 2.4 volts (approx at key on)
    Pin 3 - 1939 datalink + 2.6 volts (approx at key on)
    At key off, you should have about 60 ohms of resistance between pin 2 and pin 3 to also confirm if your datalink is good. Main power and ground should also be load tested with a headlight bulb to ensure the wire can support good amperage. If all this is good, your TCM is faulty. Low voltage cranking will take them out.
     
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