“The brokers make too much”

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Long FLD, Apr 24, 2020.

  1. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    I have not, but like I said I know that companies were bought in both instances for my grandpa to get his inter and intrastate authorities. And I do know that my mom sold our intrastate authority after dad passed for about $15k. So that would be a barrier to entry that many wouldn’t be able to cross.
     
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  3. p608

    p608 Road Train Member

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    IIRC to buy somebody's rights it was 10 times the revenue they generated the prior year, as a rule.
     
  4. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Yes they do. It's called contracts and the court system for broken contracts.

    Yes they do. It's called the court system.

    No need for new regs when what you are complaining about is alrrady covered. Not the fault of the industry if the carrier chooses to not use the tools available to them.
     
  5. Cinderella Man

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    Whether truckers wanted it or not, which many didn't. Deregulation was going to happen and nothing was going to stop it. The shippers, receivers, trucking companies and government wanted to remove the power that the union and the drivers held. The ability to bring this country to it's knees when they felt an injustice to the guys that moved it.

    Deregulation did what it was suppose too. It took many ole timers out the game and inserted fresh blood that had no ties to the industry and continues to do so till this day. It brought us to our knees and put the power and money in the hands of those that will continue to keep us down. It was never meant to benefit us drivers.

    Some may have it decent but that's only until someone comes in and cuts their legs out from under them. Hopefully they saved for such an occasion, but plenty think it won't happen until it does. Maybe it never does happen to them and they can continue to sit back and tell people it's there fault for this or that.

    While we sit and argue among ourselves and jobs continue to stay over seas. The corporations with all their CEO's along with the politicians are laughing on their way to some fancy vacation. Still charging the same amount for a product that is made cheap and transported cheap.

    This use to be a tight brotherhood with drivers that would bend over backwards to help another driver or civilian. Now people sit in their trucks with their phones videoing another driver backing in or pulling out. Hoping for some footage to post on social media. Lets not get out and help another driver. Forgetting what it was like to be new at some point. Drivers not getting in the left lane when another driver is on the shoulder or not asking if said driver needs any help.

    Yeah, i say they got what they wanted. Meanwhile the truckers are still regulated.
     
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  6. LoneRanger

    LoneRanger Road Train Member

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    Try enforcing contracts, see how much that costs and how long you will weather the storm when brokerages dump money into lawyers.

    Keep telling yourself that brokers don’t need regulations while companies like landstar and others like them double broker the hell out of loads with no fear of any federal retribution.
     
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  7. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    If it's that hard to enforce contracts, which in my personal experience it isn't, then the courts need reforming and not more regulations in this industries.
    I've been in civil court three times. Once as the defendant, twice as the plaintiff. In all three cases the judgement was simple, straightforward and followed the wording in the contract. This isn't TV, or even a multi-million suit that has teams of lawyers.

    Also, the companies that break contracts right and left.. What makes you think they would not be breaking any regs put out?

    Or is your problem is you can't sign contracts that benefit your company so you insist on forcing others to make up for your shortcoming?
     
  8. tommymonza

    tommymonza Road Train Member

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    Like Michigan and their load ratings Haul 160,000 for 1.5 times the rate of 80,000.

    Slitting their own throat. .
     
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  9. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    Is double brokering illegal? Will making it illegal-er make people stop doing it?
     
  10. Cinderella Man

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    You have co-brokering and double brokering.

    Co-brokering is when you the broker. Have authorization to use other brokers to fulfill freight needs. This is considered legal.

    Double brokering is when you the broker. Have no authorization to hand out a load to another broker. This is considered illegal.

    The problem with co-brokering. There is nothing that puts any limit on how much any of the brokers can charge. Broker A can say "hey i really spent no time with the load on my board. I'm going to pass it to you and take 5%". 2nd broker takes load and says" I'm still going to get my 15%". Now that is only 20% of the load but what if both take 15%? A $2000 load just turned into a $1400 load.

    People can still do it this way with the double brokering and never get caught. The ones that do tend to get caught put out a high fake rate and when the driver passes on the invoice. The doubled broker passes it on as if they delivered the load and take the money and run. Which they do tend to get caught in most cases.You may run across a driver or two who will just wait for money that will never to come to fall from the sky into their mailbox one day, but most people will report it.

    I know the responses that will probably come. " If your stupid enough to take a cheap load you don't deserve a truck" I don't know how long any driver has been in the game to judge them on their need to take said load. I do know your not jumping in the game without help landing contracts. Also if there are just too many truck than freight to begin with. Why does broker A need broker B and C to find a truck? He's got carriers and he has DAT and every other board. Your paying 2 or more guys behind a desk pushing pencils, phones and staring at a monitor. More than most experienced company drivers would make getting payed by a percentage delivering the load.

    I don't need brokers at this moment or ever for that matter, finished with them in 06. I had to fight to get where i am at, but if #### were to fall apart tomorrow. The wife and i took care of our future and our kids did the same, by doing what they needed to not depend on this racket.
     
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  11. TallJoe

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    Not quite. HOS in 2002 were completely different from the current ones. For instance, It is 2 25 AM here and I am about to roll instead of sleeping like a baby.
    It was as simple as 10/8/70 and 15 hours on duty max per 24 hour period.
    Since then, modified at least 3 times and lastly, in the name of safety, and also, as they eloquently put it , a "level playing field", the ELDs were imposed on private properties.
    The aforementioned changes are doubted by many, myself included - based on my own 18 years experience and observation - to have enhanced safety but rather promote a specific group of interests agenda, including mega carriers.
    HOS is used by the Swifts of this World as a leverage to protect their business interests.
    In other words, the government, in one form or another, is already involved in deciding who gets a softer pillow in this very industry.
    Trying to figure out the right and fair is impossible. However, we, as owner operators, should seek avenues to protect our interests too. Trying to rig the system in our favor wherever it is possible.

    If there is a legal chance of exercising transparency and imposing a maximum brokers commission then we should go for it.
     
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