Brake line liability

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  1. jazzedman

    jazzedman Bobtail Member

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    I’m being told to put a 13’ piece of strat-o-flex line in place of regular brake line. Im having an issue with this as it will not have the same stopping ability as regular and could potentially cause a serious wreck. Am I in the right? Should I refuse to do this? Also I believe it is without the customer knowing.

    Would I be the one going to jail?!!!
     
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  3. Goodysnap

    Goodysnap Road Train Member

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    Twill hold the pressure, sure.........but

    Its not DOT compliant.

    Flexabilty can be the main downfall with anything steel braided on a air brake hose. No flex. With age the hose fails due to repeated bending.

    Will you go to jail, probably not. But if your employer is a professional he should know better.
     
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  5. jazzedman

    jazzedman Bobtail Member

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    Crap, should have specified, this is on a ‘65 ford cab over(C series), hydraulic brakes. And I tend to call double wire braided hydraulic hose “Strato-O-Flex”. It’s rated for 6500psi. But with hydraulic brakes, you can’t put that much (remember 13’) in. It’s squishy brakes until the brake fluid deteriorates the rubber and they loose brakes all together.

    I’ve never been told I had to put it in before today, but I’m sure there would be repercussions towards the shop (I work for “corporate America”, national chain I probably shouldn’t name) and more importantly ME (as in jail time if the thing ends up killing someone!). I’m refusing to install it, we’ll see what happens.

    Sorry for the long post!
     
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  6. SmallPackage

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    Is it Gates C5C,C5D,or C5E?
    Aeroquip/Stratoflex and weatherbead devoloped it in the 30’s for aircraft and it became availiable to public after WW2. That hose was the industry standard from the 1940’s thru the early’80’s for everything on the older trucks. Used for air and all the liquids. Gates makes the exact aeroquip replacement sizes and hose ends. Parker has there own spec that has a hard time interchanging with the older weatherhead fittings.
     
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    image.jpg 1550AEC3-B6B0-4707-A1BF-0F44C58A27CC.jpeg From the Gates book. Meets and exceeds all Dot/FMVSS criteria. All perfectly acceptable and legal.
     
  8. SmallPackage

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    The stratoflex type steel braid hose was used on steer axle brakes and the hoses to the cans on the rears for 40 years before the manufacturers started to cheap out with the nylon and non steel cord rubber hose. So bending and flexing is not a problem. We kept having problems with the rubber hoses on the steer brakes kinking and breaking at hoseends on our ‘99 and ‘03 FL’s. So what did Frieghtliner do? They replaced them with stratoflex hose under warranty. Never had another problem. Everytime after that whenever we would take it back in to them for leaks or bad nylon hoses that get brittle in our heat and humidity they'd replace with stratoflex. Proving that the “ancient” technology is still superior for longitivtiy.
     
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  9. jazzedman

    jazzedman Bobtail Member

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    Again, this is for a HYDRAULIC brake system, not air.
     
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  10. Rideandrepair

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    I’ve always used them on my Classics steer axle. Sometimes lasting only one year, sometimes 4-5 yrs. I can only guess that the age of the hose prior, makes the difference. What I’ve done, is make them up a little longer, maybe 3”, and cut out the inner fender well, so they don’t rub. Keeps the flex off the ends. Works much better.
     
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  11. jazzedman

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    Yeah, well, we can’t really do that to a customers work truck. This isn’t a side project.
     
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