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Empty placarded trailer on shipper's property.

Discussion in 'Hazmat Trucking Forum' started by JReding, May 18, 2020.

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  1. May 18, 2020 #1
    JReding

    JReding Road Train Member

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    Hey all

    I need help with a debate I'm having with someone. If I remember correctly, an improperly placarded trailer or an empty trailer with placards still on it are the shipper's responsibility, aren't they? Including facing fines if DOT decided to come in and do an audit? I'm in a hurry right now, and don't have time to scan the FMCSR for the particulars, if anyone can point me in the right direction.
     
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  3. May 18, 2020 #2
    MACK E-6

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    I know fire marshals do tend to frown on that sort of thing.
     
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  4. May 18, 2020 #3
    Chinatown

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    I don't know the answer. Usually the customers I dealt with couldn't care less about placards.
    I know this doesn't answer your question, but I rip them off and if they're really stuck, paint over them or put duct tape over them.
     
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  5. May 18, 2020 #4
    Oor

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    Empty placarded, Cosignee should have removed, if it was a drop and hook and they put it in the door. So that's on them.

    Improperly placarded and a drop and hook, that's on shipper.

    Soon as you touch it, it's on you.
     
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  7. May 18, 2020 #5
    uncleal13

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    If you hook into it, it's a free way to stock up on extra placards that you may lose in the rain.
     
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  8. May 18, 2020 #6
    MACK E-6

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    Well, if the trailer’s empty those should come off anyway, so help yourself.
     
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  9. May 18, 2020 #7
    me myself and I

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    As i understand private property is just that. DOT rules dont apply. Once YOU pull it into the public road, YOU are responsible
     
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  10. May 18, 2020 #8
    kemosabi49

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    As long as is isn't a tanker that hasn't been washed, the placards need to be off before you move it on a public road.
     
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  11. May 18, 2020 #9
    Antinomian

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    When I was at Swift the number one most common hazmat related citation Swift drivers got was unnecessary placards. It was mostly non-hazmat drivers who got them.
     
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  12. May 18, 2020 #10
    JReding

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    Except if a shipper handles DOT regulated materials, and also is involved in transportation. They are subject to DOT audits which can be held on site, and involve everything, including hazmat.
     
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