Exactly my point, sort of..... in the oilfields, I trained drivers that only had OTR experience. Usually, it took a week - 10 days to train them to use the equipment, for example, a vacuum truck, a pneumatic or gravity flow tanker, etc. That did not take 6 weeks! And once they demonstrated that they were competent and safe with the tanker, we could cut them loose. What we did not do, is pay them a lowball daily rate for 6 weeks to basically get them to work as a Team driver. Of course, in general, in the oil fields we did not have Teams. If we did, I'm sure we would try to enslave them for 6 weeks..... Whether they needed training or not.
Question re Policy, Anyone?!?
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by 31N90W, Jun 5, 2020.
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You would re-think this if the trainer was 5'2" and eyes of blue, cute little sexy blonde ! Right ? Now get out there and have f-u-n !
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6 weeks with a trainer, I can understand if you were fresh out of school. That's just some ploy some POS bottomfeeder is trying to pull to pay peanuts for a driver for a month and a half. IF they really wanted a quality driver, and a guy applies with 8 years experience (sorry, experience IS experience), they would have you come in, do a veteran style road test, make sure you can pre trip and trip plan and had complete understanding of how to log and the HOS, throw you a set of keys and put you to work.
If you have experience, you don't have to go to a circus to travel and see the world.Cattleman84, 650cat425 and Dale thompson Thank this. -
Playing Devil's Advocate:
You ran oil field - how good is your knowledge of HOS?
Do you know how to plan a trip or do you know how to start your day and work until it's done?
Do you know how to back or do you just think you know how to back?
The last time oil tanked there was a guy with 2 years experience who came thru our experienced hire orientation, then got his own truck. After two week his driver manager told him he needed to ride with a trainer for a week or be fired. Dude knew how to drive, but had no understanding of the HOS ("we just made the paper log say what safety told us to make it say"), no idea how to read an atlas, couldn't get backed into a dock square and centered and had NO CLUE about axle weight/tandem sliding.
We had a new "experienced" hire a few weeks ago who high hooked his first trailer. After I got him out of that mess, I had to show him how to use an etrack strap, and then how to close the swing doors.
I had a UPS or Fed Ex (don't remember which) line haul driver who screwed up his retirement planning and had to come back to work. Since he'd been off the road for 5 years, he had to go thru the inexperienced class. Guy didn't know how to back - he pulled into the terminal and parked and went to the hotel. He came back in the morning and his rig had been fueled and hooked to his return load. His shifting sucked - grind till ya find style. The first three days it was pulling teeth to get him to listen. He finally figured out I knew what I was doing when I ran US 460 in VA with 45,000 in the box floating gears while giving a dissertation on load securement and cargo claims.
And let's not forget the "experienced" driver who , after arguing with the training group about our coupling procedure, proceeded to drop his trailer on the way out of the yard to his first pick up.
Experience has taught me the importance of "trust, but verify". So many "drivers" claim mastery over skills they barely have comprehension of that it's little wonder there are companies that have just implemented a blanket program regardless of experience.spindrift, 650cat425, 88 Alpha and 1 other person Thank this. -
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I totally agree with your comments. You are right on point. "Trust But Verify"
In the oil fields, we have the same HOS as OTR drivers. We use ELD, not paper logs. Backing? Absolutely, not into a dock, but many times we had to back in tight between tankers loaded with HazMat, at a rig site. Using an Atlas or GPS, admittedly on that I would need some coaching. Floating gears is pretty much standard everywhere. We definitely floated gears in the oil fields.
Actually, I am agreeing with you. I am not saying that I have a Mastery of everything. Far from it. The only thing that I have mastered is "understanding that there is always something more to learn."
Again, my point is, "I don't feel that to require someone to train for six weeks is necessarily warranted." They could use a skills set checklist, to confirm what skills you have (and where you need training), once they checked them all off, they can cut you loose. That is, assuming that both you and the trainer agree that you are ready.
But in this case, the employer's policy is that even if one adaqutealy demonstrates the skill sets that they require (let's say in the first week) they still want you to ride along for 6 full weeks.
Let me ask this, "if you were told you had to train for 6 weeks as a new hire, even if you demonstrate your ability to perform, what would you do?" Six weeks training as a Team Driver/Trainee at a low-ball daily rate?
My guess is that you might do what I did; politely, professionally, tell them to "have a nice day" and move on.
Please don't get me wrong, I am not angry, I just found that policy a tad bizarre. And, I was wondering if that is pretty much standard?
I thank all of you for your time and interest, and comments.650cat425, gentleroger and Dale thompson Thank this. -
Most of our experienced hires do just fine with orientation and then "here's the keys". It's the outliers that are the problem, and when they cause problems they cause PROBLEMS. It's easy to understand a safety guy saying "nuts to this, everyone goes thru training" after an "experienced hire" ruins a brand new trailer in his first week. -
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Out of curiosity is 6 weeks there normal training period or is this a new policy. A lot of companies are slow right now but may be wanting to still retain or add drivers for when things pick back up. But as of right now may not have a place for newbies so they keep you training longer. At any rate I wouldn't run 6 weeks out on the road with anyone else other than my dog
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Interestingly, they said that the earnings potential was X yearly (as a Company Driver), and you can increase that by becoming a Trainer. Again, you would be a team driver, only now as a Trainer earning more.
To me, it feels like they try to stuff you in training for 6 weeks to have a "forced team driver - at a low daily training rate."
And, I should add, I kept looking and found another outfit that pays better, and basically verifies your abilities, then cuts you loose.
I do not disagree with training, I feel it is essential. Training and safety are big in the oil fields, as it should be in any aspect of trucking.Dale thompson Thanks this.
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