Armchair lawyers of TTR...

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by God prefers Diesels, Sep 23, 2020.

  1. God prefers Diesels

    God prefers Diesels Road Train Member

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    When you sign up for a broker, and they have stipulations on their terms of service making their contract supersede your circular, or stipulations that absolve them from 371.3, what happens when you still make your own circular saying your circular supersedes their contract, stamp it on the BOL, and they sign it?

    Who wins? I just filled out the one for TQL, and I feel like I need to wash my hands, and take a shower now.

    This is for my own curiosity. I don't actually have a circular or any kind of ToS.
     
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  3. Antinomian

    Antinomian Road Train Member

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    How does a carrier absolve a broker from 371.3?
    I don't see the word "unless" anywhere in it.

    § 371.3 Records to be kept by brokers.

    (a) A broker shall keep a record of each transaction. For purposes of this section, brokers may keep master lists of consignors and the address and registration number of the carrier, rather than repeating this information for each transaction. The record shall show:


    (1) The name and address of the consignor;


    (2) The name, address, and registration number of the originating motor carrier;


    (3) The bill of lading or freight bill number;


    (4) The amount of compensation received by the broker for the brokerage service performed and the name of the payer;


    (5) A description of any non-brokerage service performed in connection with each shipment or other activity, the amount of compensation received for the service, and the name of the payer; and


    (6) The amount of any freight charges collected by the broker and the date of payment to the carrier.


    (b) Brokers shall keep the records required by this section for a period of three years.


    (c) Each party to a brokered transaction has the right to review the record of the transaction required to be kept by these rules.


    [45 FR 68942, Oct. 17, 1980. Redesignated at 61 FR 54707, Oct. 21, 1996, as amended at 62 FR 15421, Apr. 1, 1997]
     
  4. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    Seeing you're just getting started in this business, you might wanna buy a good supply of soap, you're gonna need it.
     
  5. Cattleman84

    Cattleman84 Road Train Member

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    By signing on the dotted line when somewhere in the brokers contract it states that the carrier waves thier right to have access to those records.
     
  6. God prefers Diesels

    God prefers Diesels Road Train Member

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    Exactly. And it said exactly that, almost word for word. I expected it, but it still made me sick.
     
  7. Cattleman84

    Cattleman84 Road Train Member

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    Were I an O/O I would refuse to work with brokers that had that in thier contracts.
     
  8. God prefers Diesels

    God prefers Diesels Road Train Member

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    This is the verbiage I was talking about:

    "Any terms of the bill of lading (“BOL”)(including, without limitation, payment terms, limitations of liability, and stamped terms) or CARRIER’s tariffs or circulars that are inconsistent with either the terms of this Agreement or any agreement between BROKER and CUSTOMERS are void and will be controlled by the terms of this Agreement."

    "BROKER and CARRIER will use commercially reasonable efforts to verify the accuracy of all freight charge billings invoiced by BROKER to CUSTOMERS for the Services performed by CARRIER. BROKER will have the right to audit, from time to time, CARRIER’s freight charges, and CARRIER will fully cooperate with any audit. BROKER is not required to disclose its charges to CUSTOMERS, commissions, or brokerage revenue,
    and CARRIER waives its right to receive, audit, and/or review information and documents to be kept as provided in 49 C.F.R. § 371.3."
     
  9. God prefers Diesels

    God prefers Diesels Road Train Member

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    I wholly agree with you, believe me. But I'm a new authority, and want to keep that option open for a few months, until other people will let me haul for them. I might not like dealing with the "Halliburton's and Schlumberger's" of the freight world, but these Ramen noodles don't pay for themselves!!

    Now I don't plan on hauling cheap, either. If I can't get the money I want, then I'll find something else. I used to own a framing company, and I learned you never bid jobs like you're desperate. "Gimme died, and free don't live here anymore."
     
  10. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    Well the way that it works now yes you can waive your right to that.

    You're free to tell them that you're not going to waive your right and their free to tell you they won't do business with you.

    That is 99.9999999999% of all brokers.

    If it bothers you that much then you have to look for direct Freight.
     
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