Driver manager keeps trying to make me log 15 minute post trips

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  1. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    The next time your dbl/what-ever-the-heck-their- title-is-this-year tells you to log a minimum of 15 minutes ask them where in the "Highway to Success" does it say that 15 minutes is a minimum is required for a post trip, or any other activity for that matter.

    Schneider explicitly does not have a policy for how long any activity takes - things take the time they take, no more, no less. If you get flack, DM me the name and extension number and I'll ride herd on the (extremely long and gratuitous use of foul language censored because 'won't someone think of the children').

    My guess is that you did something to offend THE GREAT AND POWERFULLESS AI AUDITOR. That caused some meat suit to look at your logs. The first way to avoid this is to know FMCSA regs forward and backwards so when the OSR tries to regulate you quote regs, then get pulled into a mid-pandemic in person meeting where your knowledge of FMCSA and company regs allow you to run circles around the OSR, STM, and DBL. At which point they stop saying anything to you, about anything, because they don't want to cry themselves to sleep.

    Doing the above is time consuming and ultimately unrewarding as making safety critters cry is more appealing in the abstract than in reality. Instead, toss yourself into yard move at the bottom of the ramp or just before you set up to back into your spot. That way there is some on duty time before you go off duty, and the safety critter is satisfied, despite the fact that in reality nothing is different. Same thing for when you do d/hs - make sure you get into yard move while you're moving and that all the times you enter into WorkFlow match up with on duty time.
     
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  3. Antinomian

    Antinomian Road Train Member

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    OK.
    Here's what the FMCSA has published on there web site as of today:

    The regulation:

    §396.11 Driver vehicle inspection report(s).
    (a) Equipment provided by motor carrier. (1) Report required. Every motor carrier shall require its drivers to report, and every driver shall prepare a report in writing at the completion of each day's work on each vehicle operated, except for intermodal equipment tendered by an intermodal equipment provider. The report shall cover at least the following parts and accessories: ...


    The guidance:

    Question 1: Does §396.11 require the DVIR to be turned in each day by a driver dispatched on a trip of more than one day’s duration?


    Guidance: A driver must prepare a DVIR at the completion of each day’s work and shall submit those reports to the motor carrier upon his/her return to the home terminal. This does not relieve the motor carrier from the responsibility of effecting repairs and certification of any items listed on the DVIR, prepared at the end of each day’s work, that would be likely to affect the safety of the operation of the motor vehicle.
     
  4. jason6541

    jason6541 Road Train Member

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    Ok. Well I will talk to the local FMCSA office again. But I had asked this when I went live with my authority and was told No DVIR is required unless a defect is noted. I will check with the field office again and will call compliance at NASTC as well and check.
     
  5. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Keep reading. (a)(2) further down the regs state this...
    (2) Report content. (i) The r
    eport must identify the vehicle and list any defect or deficiency discovered by or reported to the driver which would affect the safety of operation of the vehicle or result in its mechanical breakdown. If a driver operates more than one vehicle during the day, a report must be prepared for each vehicle operated. Drivers are not required to prepare a report if no defect or deficiency is discovered by or reported to the driver.
     
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  6. laaylor

    laaylor Road Train Member

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    Me too! But, I’ve also over my 18 years have discovered a couple times that a tire went flat while I was on break! So, I always walk around and bang on my tires and check that I’m coupled, my lights are all lit, and I’m not leaking anything anywhere..... I check more thoroughly when I’m fueling, like under the hood and my brakes.... FYI.. so, I usually log about 7-8 minutes for my pretrip
     
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  7. Antinomian

    Antinomian Road Train Member

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    LOL. So two completely contradictory statements in the same regulation? Sometimes I have to stop and remind myself that the definition of a regulator is a lawyer with no clients.
     
  8. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    Don't disagree, but basically it's lawyer speak for "If you find a defect, you must do a dvir." I guess using plain English is too easy.
     
  9. HillbillyDeluxeTruck

    HillbillyDeluxeTruck Road Train Member

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    While I log a pretrip every day, I never start my clock before I actually do it. I also like to do a much more thorough post trip at the end of the day (but I dont log them) so that if I find anything wrong Im not burning hours fixing it. This has saved me several times in the past on an ELD.

    Infact the only reason I can think of that you log any time doing pre/post trip to prove during an inspection that you spent time doing one. I guess it goes back to the days of paper and just continuing on doing the same thing without the process evolving with the introduction of ELD's.
     
  10. God prefers Diesels

    God prefers Diesels Road Train Member

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    Exactly how I do it. If I find a problem that's going to take me three hours to fix, I don't want my hours being burned up. So I'll fix it, get ready to go, and then log some time for a pre trip so it looks good on the log. What DOT don't know won't hurt them.
     
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  11. Moose1958

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    I'm not at liberty to disclose the carrier or why, but about two months ago I was speaking to a driver I helped get on with a 2nd chance carrier. As you can imagine when I discovered this driver was on his way into a terminal I got very angry. Yes, he was fired and as of the last I heard was still fired and not working. These kinds of threads really piss me off. Do you want to avoid that call to a terminal? Do you want to avoid a bad DAC? Do you want to avoid being on that dang clearinghouse? Do this frickin job the right way!! Do that walk around and look at things as you do so. Follow what your carrier says when it comes to HOS. Over the years I drove I seen more than my share of drivers pulling out in the mornings driving one-eyed monsters as well as flat tires. Missing tags and one guy with his ICC bumper busted. By busted I mean I looked like it took a hit and one side was broken not making contact. Do that (redacted) inspection and follow your carrier's HOS rules IF they are tighter than the FMCSA rules. What is so dang difficult about doing this?
     
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