From my understanding and I can't remember all the details, to comply with HD OBD it is much simpler to use common rail vs Unit injectors.
KTA Cummins and transmission torque rating
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by mile marker 27, Jun 13, 2021.
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What I was speaking to was updates to HD OBD updates in 2013 for misfire and fuel system monitoring. I was sitting in Paccar training class in 2012 and they showed the 2013 MY engine and it switched to common rail due to ease of meeting monitoring criteria for fuel system and misfire. Here is an page from OBD 2013 updates.Roberts450 Thanks this. -
Word to the OP, I know KT's have the cool factor but Celect Plus N-14 rated @ 1850 torque would probably be a better choice. Here is a nice looking KT I saw @ ATHS this year.
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Yup, that’s nice!!! I wasn’t bring the KT, issue up cause I thought it was more powerful or better than anything produce after the fact. I like nostalgia and I like it in a truck of similar vintage. I don’t give a rats ### what Cummins, Cat or Detroit got that’s been made in the last 15-20 years, I love the distinct sound of the old 3408’s, 1150’s and 12v71’s and V8 Mack’s.
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I’ve got some cool old tractors from their, “muscle” era and though they may not be the most powerful by today’s standards, more folks stop and look at these, while working, than new the new tractors.
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This 3408 was sweet too. They extended the hood. Fife has video of it on YouTube.
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That is to cool. Did they come out with polished aluminum valve covers back then, or was it something aftermarket? I remember folks talking about, “Shiny 290”. Wasn’t it chrome or polished aluminum valve covers for it as well?
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I am still running a kta600 in one.of my heavy haul trucks
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I currently run an 81 pete with a KTA600 and a 6x4. I can PROMISE you, the stock KTA600 produces WAY more than 1650 fl-lbs of torque. I can easily run with any 600-625 HP electronic engine. I haven't had mine on a dyno, but I would say it's putting down 2000 give or take. It is rumored that they bluffed the torque spec to keep the driveline warranty intact. The new QSK version is 650HP and 2300 ft-lb. Those numbers compared to 600/2000 for a mechanical version seems pretty reasonable to me.
As far as fuel economy is concerned, I consistently match the newer ISX powered trucks with all the emissions garbage. I give up 1/2 MPG US to the pre emission electronic engines and deleted ISXs. The fellas with the big power DD16s are getting about 1 MPG better than me and can keep up on short hills but I will eventually pull away on long pulls.
I've been running this truck 3 years now from coast to coast in Canada, down to PA, SC, MO, WY, CO, UT, OR and pretty much everywhere in between. I do a lot of work in the BC mountains at 102k lbs. The most noticeable benefit of the KTA is, compared to high hp small ci engines, they can keep up on short pulls, but in the big mountains, I will walk away from them when they run out of steam. Noting I've ever run or seen has the heart that a K does.Dino soar, Roger McG, mile marker 27 and 3 others Thank this.
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