I am managing a few straight trucks at the moment that are under 26000 lbs and drivers are non cdl. We are a Interstate company since we operate in a few cities. We do local city work and rarely (twice a month) go up to 130 miles one way away from the office and do cross state lines in those 130 miles.
My question is, do we need to do paper logs since we would qualify for the short haul exemption? The drivers are employees and their time is being kept as regular 9-5 employees that punch in and punch out daily. Since they punch in and out, do they need to have paper logs with them?
Thank you
Paper Log Question
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You can go 150 miles on the local exemption. State lines have nothing to do with it.
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Local needs a time card or a book like our poultry guys carry now. Time is to be recorded.
And they can use paper logs for the odd load that runs away from local and live haul, which doesn't happen all that much.Trucker61016, Bean Jr., okiedokie and 4 others Thank this. -
That makes sense. Thank you. We don't have paper punch cards or books. The drivers punch in and out on their phone and if needed can always pull up the hours on their phone. Does that count or would it have to be some kind of paper copy or book?25(2)+2 Thanks this. -
I have to use a phone to interface with keep truckin, and it messes it up with no phone available, but it did keep track of drive time.Volvo670ISX500 Thanks this. -
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Here is the regs so you get it from the horses mouth.....
Also not mentioned, the drivers cannot work longer than 16 hours and still be exempt. (Like if they do dock work after driving, or such.)
(And no, you don't need it on paper, just recorded somewhere, like a database)
(e) Short-haul operations—(1) 150 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of §§395.8 and 395.11 if:
(i) The driver operates within a 150 air-mile radius (172.6 statute miles) of the normal work reporting location;
(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 14 consecutive hours;
(iii)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off-duty separating each 14 hours on-duty;
(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 8 consecutive hours off-duty separating each 14 hours on-duty; and
(iv) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing:
(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day;
(B) The total number of hours the driver is on-duty each day;
(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; and
(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.
(2) Operators of property-carrying commercial motor vehicles not requiring a commercial driver's license. Except as provided in this paragraph, a driver is exempt from the requirements of §§395.3(a)(2), 395.8, and 395.11 and ineligible to use the provisions of §395.1(e)(1), (g), and (o) if:
(i) The driver operates a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle for which a commercial driver's license is not required under part 383 of this subchapter;
(ii) The driver operates within a 150 air-mile radius of the location where the driver reports to and is released from work, i.e., the normal work reporting location;
(iii) The driver returns to the normal work reporting location at the end of each duty tour;
(iv) The driver does not drive:
(A) After the 14th hour after coming on duty on 5 days of any period of 7 consecutive days; and
(B) After the 16th hour after coming on duty on 2 days of any period of 7 consecutive days;
(v) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing:
(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day;
(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day;
(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day;
(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.Dieselboss and 25(2)+2 Thank this. -
This helps a lot. Thank you all very much
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